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Post  jasiri on Wed Mar 14 2012, 17:10



As promised Centuries ago.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  jasiri on Wed Mar 14 2012, 17:13

KDF scored some pretty important post in amisom, head of intell. My question is this. this, since AMISOM is limited to 8 choppers what does that mean for our army? If we storm Kismayu will we still get help from 50 Calv and the Air Force or is it illegal?

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Post  Observer on Wed Mar 14 2012, 18:20

jasiri wrote:KDF scored some pretty important post in amisom, head of intell. My question is this. this, since AMISOM is limited to 8 choppers what does that mean for our army? If we storm Kismayu will we still get help from 50 Calv and the Air Force or is it illegal?

@jasiri interesting point, the excerpt below from an earlier post by @ON seem to read positive on your que ... but it would be good to know the specifics without compromising ... also if the National Dialogue flops then how much freedom of action do we retain ... or if Johnny and Sammy decide to "rethink" some cheques ...

" ... And again we are in accord about the Force-projection of KDF into Somalia, which is essentially the justification for the insistence in Autonomy-of-Command of KDF / AMISOM. Presently the Brigade strength ‘’officially’’ engaged is the designated ‘’Official’’ KDF re-hatting to AMISOM. In prosecution of the Mission Statement of our Unilateral KDF deployment in Somalia, this is effective and sufficient - the results are dramatic and evident. Now the AMISOM redesigned Mission Statement creates dramatically different rules of engagement. Operating from the Homeland, KDF Force-projection will certainly exceed a Division at its peak. Probably twice as high if this National Dialogue in Somalia does not go as.......!"

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Guest on Wed Mar 14 2012, 18:51

jasiri wrote:KDF scored some pretty important post in amisom, head of intell. My question is this. this, since AMISOM is limited to 8 choppers what does that mean for our army? If we storm Kismayu will we still get help from 50 Calv and the Air Force or is it illegal?



Let me break this structure down kidogo. In essence Amisom will have two separate spheres - the first being (1) the Corps HQ based in Mogadishu under a Ugandan Commander ranked Lieutenant General, who is the Interface/Coordinating Body between the Militaries and their Political Oversights – a very complex matrix because it will involve so many different Nations. AT Corps HQ, are two Deputy Corps Commanders tasked specifically with (a) Operations (KDF) and (b) Support & Logistics (FAD), ranked Major General, and a (c) Chief of Staff (UPDF) ranked Brigadier General –this has several separate arms one of which is Corps Intelligence which the KDF has charge.

The Second (2) sphere comprises the two Theatre Commands in (i) Gedo, all of Juba (KDF) H/Q Kismayu, and (ii) Benadir, both Shabelles, Bakool, and Bay regions (UPDF/FAD) H/Q Baidoa. I ignore the Hiram Theatre that Djibouti is tasked with because Puntland will pretty much have cleaned out Hiran of AS. Corps HQ on paper have Oversight of both Theatre Commanders, but in real terms each of the two Theatre Commanders have near autonomy of Planning and Execution in their individual Theatres.

Barring Political tinkering, this is a pretty safe Command Structure that deliberately keeps dangerous armed groups away from each other.


KDF will bring to bear any and all elements needed to close down this Theatre, but UNSC will only pick up the tab for the force they have stipulated. So if the Kamov and MI-28 are needed in Kismayu, they will be in Kismayu. You see, unlike UPDF the entire Eastern-board of the Homeland is one big rear staging Base for KDF. Hehehehe!!



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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Sierra Kilo on Wed Mar 14 2012, 21:18

COMMISSION on Implementation of Constitution is now seeking public views on the Kenya Defence Forces Bill 2012 which retains capital punishment for soldiers and restricts terms of military bosses. CIC put up a press advertisement this week calling on members of the public to present their views. The bill also sets up a defence forces pay review secretariat to regularly assess salaries and allowances of the members in consultation with the Salaries and Remuneration Commission.

According to the bill, the salary reviews will be done at intervals not exceeding four years. “Pursuant to section 5(6) of the sixth schedule of the constitution, section 4 of the CIC Act, 2010 and in the spirit of upholding the principle of public participation under Article 10 of the constitution, CIC hereby seeks public views on the Kenya Defence Forces Bill, 2011. Members of the public are invited to submit their memorandum either in hard copy or by email within a period of one month,” the public announcement from the commission read.

The raw draft provides that the chief of defense forces shall retire from the defense forces upon service for four years or upon attaining mandatory retirement age, whichever comes first. It lists all lawful offenses in the forces and restricts fundamental rights and freedoms in the interest of national security. “A person subject to this Act shall not be intentionally deprived of life except in execution of a sentence of a court martial imposed in respect of a service offense under this Act of which the person has been convicted,” the Bill says.

Similarly, officers serving in the defense forces shall not be regarded as having been intentionally deprived of life if they die in the course of their duties as officers. Offences attracting death on conviction by a court martial include acts of treachery and cowardice. They include spying for the enemy, assisting the enemy and taking part in a mutiny among others.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  countersniper on Wed Mar 14 2012, 21:19

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countersniper wrote:Kenyan troops to be in AMISOM as part of exit strategy and will be under Ugandan command with a Kenyan deputy at rank of major general
so says kenyas chief of general staff...and it seems no more twitter wars or weekly briefings?

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/KDF+to+deploy+4660+soldiers+to+Amisom+mission+/-/1056/1364700/-/jydt88/-/index.html[/quote]Very Happy

I like your new avatar countersniper. You are wrestling with a gigantic pistol heh:D Very Happy Very Happy

thanks man the old avatar was abit too pushy..so this one is depicting the man with the golden gun Very Happy Very Happy

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  countersniper on Wed Mar 14 2012, 21:23

Sierra Kilo wrote:COMMISSION on Implementation of Constitution is now seeking public views on the Kenya Defence Forces Bill 2012 which retains capital punishment for soldiers and restricts terms of military bosses. CIC put up a press advertisement this week calling on members of the public to present their views. The bill also sets up a defence forces pay review secretariat to regularly assess salaries and allowances of the members in consultation with the Salaries and Remuneration Commission.

According to the bill, the salary reviews will be done at intervals not exceeding four years. “Pursuant to section 5(6) of the sixth schedule of the constitution, section 4 of the CIC Act, 2010 and in the spirit of upholding the principle of public participation under Article 10 of the constitution, CIC hereby seeks public views on the Kenya Defence Forces Bill, 2011. Members of the public are invited to submit their memorandum either in hard copy or by email within a period of one month,” the public announcement from the commission read.

The raw draft provides that the chief of defense forces shall retire from the defense forces upon service for four years or upon attaining mandatory retirement age, whichever comes first. It lists all lawful offenses in the forces and restricts fundamental rights and freedoms in the interest of national security. “A person subject to this Act shall not be intentionally deprived of life except in execution of a sentence of a court martial imposed in respect of a service offense under this Act of which the person has been convicted,” the Bill says.

Similarly, officers serving in the defense forces shall not be regarded as having been intentionally deprived of life if they die in the course of their duties as officers. Offences attracting death on conviction by a court martial include acts of treachery and cowardice. They include spying for the enemy, assisting the enemy and taking part in a mutiny among others.


all we need is to enforce the famous daudi tonje rules....and our military will just do fine....kibaki broke the rules tonje had set when he tribalised the top brass at DOD..

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  cylon on Wed Mar 14 2012, 21:47

jasiri wrote:

As promised Centuries ago.


These are great pics jasiri. this the kind of equipment the kenyan police needs not those Mil17's. Are there more on the way?

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  cylon on Wed Mar 14 2012, 21:50

ole Nkarei wrote:
jasiri wrote:KDF scored some pretty important post in amisom, head of intell. My question is this. this, since AMISOM is limited to 8 choppers what does that mean for our army? If we storm Kismayu will we still get help from 50 Calv and the Air Force or is it illegal?



Let me break this structure down kidogo. In essence Amisom will have two separate spheres - the first being (1) the Corps HQ based in Mogadishu under a Ugandan Commander ranked Lieutenant General, who is the Interface/Coordinating Body between the Militaries and their Political Oversights – a very complex matrix because it will involve so many different Nations. AT Corps HQ, are two Deputy Corps Commanders tasked specifically with (a) Operations (KDF) and (b) Support & Logistics (FAD), ranked Major General, and a (c) Chief of Staff (UPDF) ranked Brigadier General –this has several separate arms one of which is Corps Intelligence which the KDF has charge.

The Second (2) sphere comprises the two Theatre Commands in (i) Gedo, all of Juba (KDF) H/Q Kismayu, and (ii) Benadir, both Shabelles, Bakool, and Bay regions (UPDF/FAD) H/Q Baidoa. I ignore the Hiram Theatre that Djibouti is tasked with because Puntland will pretty much have cleaned out Hiran of AS. Corps HQ on paper have Oversight of both Theatre Commanders, but in real terms each of the two Theatre Commanders have near autonomy of Planning and Execution in their individual Theatres.

Barring Political tinkering, this is a pretty safe Command Structure that deliberately keeps dangerous armed groups away from each other.


KDF will bring to bear any and all elements needed to close down this Theatre, but UNSC will only pick up the tab for the force they have stipulated. So if the Kamov and MI-28 are needed in Kismayu, they will be in Kismayu. You see, unlike UPDF the entire Eastern-board of the Homeland is one big rear staging Base for KDF. Hehehehe!!



So we did acquire these birdies. i was always wondering when we will see the first pics of them somebody in KDF got us Very Happy

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  areba on Wed Mar 14 2012, 22:04

hahahahaha @cyclon nice one!.

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Kenya Police Acquires Eurocopter AS350B3e Helicopter, the First in Africa

Post  Analyst on Wed Mar 14 2012, 23:07

cylon wrote:
jasiri wrote:

As promised Centuries ago.


These are great pics jasiri. this the kind of equipment the kenyan police needs not those Mil17's. Are there more on the way?

Kenya Police Air-Wing has acquired a a Eurocopter AS350 B3e Ecureuil helicopter to expand its capacity and effectiveness.

Kenya police Air-Wing armed its airborne law enforcement and crime prevention unit with the delivery of a Eurocopter AS350 B3e Ecureuil helicopter.

The AS350 B3e is the enhanced version of Eurocopter’s successful AS350 model.

http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=1495

How did it come to pass..?

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Ole Sidai on Thu Mar 15 2012, 05:50



www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2114943/Hundreds-fighter-jets-paraded-South-Korea-US-displays-military-might.html

@Risasi......wish loaning was possible !

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Guest on Thu Mar 15 2012, 08:16

areba wrote:hahahahaha @cyclon nice one!.


Thin line between friendly banter on Security issues and espionage, gentlemen!

But, two squadrons Mil M-28N ordered last year, 16 Units of these for delivery in 2012. Four of these angry ''Havoc'' birds already commissioned (can give you date/time/stamped receipt at LAB!!), pilot and operators conversion taking place SASA HIVI up North. Because delivery schedule was thrown off by Sammy, crated parts coming in for re-assembly HAPA HAPA Baba!!. Certainly one Squadron of 16 Units will eventually be commissioned this year.

Four Units of the Single-pilot Jet-fighter-type configured Kamov Ka-50 flying around up North on-trials. Fits into the gap of the delayed Mil deliveries. Likely KDF-AirCalv shall take in two squadrons of these too eventually.

Those pipelines from Lamu, the Corridor, and the entire 1800 eastern border depend on these gunships. And there is hurry as Djibouti has fallen to Qatari seduction to put up competing new Ports in Djibouti for just over USD4 Billion - will kills LAMU is this corridor was not as secure as a church/mosque.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Ole Sidai on Thu Mar 15 2012, 09:11

But, two squadrons Mil M-28N ordered last year, 16 Units of these for delivery in 2012. Four of these angry ''Havoc'' birds already commissioned (can give you date/time/stamped receipt at LAB!!), pilot and operators conversion taking place SASA HIVI up North.

Four Units of the Single-pilot Jet-fighter-type configured Kamov Ka-50 flying around up North on-trials.


@ON,the commanders wish is a comand. Kama hii pinki unatoa ni ya ukweli,then it is a very big step forward. (from encylopaidia...Kenya Air Force ordered 16 Mi-28N, first 3 arrived 9th February 2012.[23]) People should understand a simple fact "protection is key to any level of development".

Those pipelines from Lamu, the Corridor, and the entire 1800 eastern border depend on these gunships. And there is hurry as Djibouti has fallen to Qatari seduction to put up competing new Ports in Djibouti for just over USD4 Billion - will kills LAMU is this corridor was not as secure as a church/mosque.


Supporting infrastructure, human and material resource tips the balance. Whereas Djibouti would imensely benefit Ethiopia,SS will be tricky. However,it will not outdo Lamu. As of July 2012,Ethiopia is home to 94 million people according to CIA. Infrastructure demands,food and great demand for finished goods tips KE to dominate whole region regardless of such port at the tip of Africa. Shorter for Ethiopia to construct export pipelines for their newly found black gold but they got big mess of internal maneno. It is safer thro Lamu than Djibouti. 2ndly Lamu got bigger role to play in Kenyana. Already Msa is to its capacity. Dar Es is naturally not deep sea port and whatever dredging can't change things. Modern Lamu will be modern success story.....my 2 cents.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Observer on Thu Mar 15 2012, 09:55

ole Nkarei wrote:
areba wrote:hahahahaha @cyclon nice one!.


Thin line between friendly banter on Security issues and espionage, gentlemen!

But, two squadrons Mil M-28N ordered last year, 16 Units of these for delivery in 2012. Four of these angry ''Havoc'' birds already commissioned (can give you date/time/stamped receipt at LAB!!), pilot and operators conversion taking place SASA HIVI up North. Because delivery schedule was thrown off by Sammy, crated parts coming in for re-assembly HAPA HAPA Baba!!. Sasa, Cylon, goja picha wakati yake, kijana!! Utapata. Laughing

It seems someone already has the Mil_Mi-28 for Kenya on Wikipaedia on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-28

  • Kenya Air Force ordered 16 Mi-28N, first 3 arrived 9th February 2012.[23]

... well guys at 50 Aircav must have had "hardons" over this Very Happy assuming thats where they'll be based? .. great stuff! Here's the link that was used to edit on wikipedia http://www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/61681-kenya-buys-russian-gunships

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Geopolitical Balance

Post  Analyst on Thu Mar 15 2012, 10:08

ole Nkarei wrote:
areba wrote:hahahahaha @cyclon nice one!.


Thin line between friendly banter on Security issues and espionage, gentlemen!

But, two squadrons Mil M-28N ordered last year, 16 Units of these for delivery in 2012. Four of these angry ''Havoc'' birds already commissioned (can give you date/time/stamped receipt at LAB!!), pilot and operators conversion taking place SASA HIVI up North. Because delivery schedule was thrown off by Sammy, crated parts coming in for re-assembly HAPA HAPA Baba!!. Certainly one Squadron of 16 Units will eventually be commissioned this year.

Four Units of the Single-pilot Jet-fighter-type configured Kamov Ka-50 flying around up North on-trials. Fits into the gap of the delayed Mil deliveries. Likely KDF-AirCalv shall take in two squadrons of these too eventually.

Those pipelines from Lamu, the Corridor, and the entire 1800 eastern border depend on these gunships. And there is hurry as Djibouti has fallen to Qatari seduction to put up competing new Ports in Djibouti for just over USD4 Billion - will kills LAMU is this corridor was not as secure as a church/mosque.

Sasa, Cylon, goja picha wakati yake, kijana!! Utapata. Laughing

Quite a development....which suffice to tilt regional power balance to Kenya...
Geo-politically Kenya is home to very strategic economic interests of South Sudan and Ethiopia with Somalia and Uganda also very dependent on Kenya in accomplishing their economic goal (import sales and exports transit).
With massive infrastructure development and investment in all borders, Kenya has opened up the East African region to economic growth. (give a thumbs up to guys who do economic espionage at NSIS for a job well done).

Kenya as such has no choice but to shape the future of the region military and economically by staying ahead ....

The importance of the Djibouti port is of less magnitude compared to the Lamu Port for it serves only Djibouti and Ethiopia...the Lamu port serves Ethiopia, South Sudan, Kenya, and Uganda (they like it or hit it) and Somalia as well. Such largese underscores the need to have great defense capability to protect such investments....but our police force requires urgent rapid restructuring since its somewhat not a professional police force that can effectively provide real Homeland security effectively...

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  areba on Thu Mar 15 2012, 12:43

@ole nkarei, Did I read that the KDF segment will be based in Kismayo? Does this mean our assets into Amisom will likely be naval, land and air? is there anyone else handling the seas?

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Post  Guest on Thu Mar 15 2012, 13:03

areba wrote:@ole nkarei, Did I read that the KDF segment will be based in Kismayo? Does this mean our assets into Amisom will likely be naval, land and air? is there anyone else handling the seas?

That's correct, Areba. The EU Naval Force is off the Continental shelf. But shutting down Kismayo from the Sea is not such a big maneno for the Navy and the SBS/CDU chaps. The Night-capable Havocs and the Kamovs over Kismayo for a day or so is probably all that will be needed ahead of Ground Armour and SpecOps drops. These are not the KDF/AMISOM-Assets!!

@Spartan, give us a heads-up when the UNSC-sponsored refabs of your mi-24s and the mi-17s will be complete, man? Laughing


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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Observer on Thu Mar 15 2012, 13:09

Quite a development....which suffice to tilt regional power balance to Kenya...

The importance of the Djibouti port is of less magnitude compared to the Lamu Port for it serves only Djibouti and Ethiopia...the Lamu port serves Ethiopia, South Sudan, Kenya, and Uganda (they like it or hit it) and Somalia as well. Such largese underscores the need to have great defense capability to protect such investments....but our police force requires urgent rapid restructuring since its somewhat not a professional police force that can effectively provide real Homeland security effectively...

On the police issue I once read a dissertation by a former KDF officer in the Artillery Corps, his primary argument was the creation of a "National Guard service" that would harness its personnel from the indigenous frontier communities; GOK recognized, supported and trained, to replace the AP and the reservists. He argues they would carry out the AP and reservists “anticipatory policing” role on our frontiers efficiently, with the unique character being that the force is indigenous. The other unique perspective was to include active and inactive NCO’s and some officer corps to structure, train and head this force. The issue of motivation and military discipline was also a central argument to avoid cases of "insurgency" from this National guard force… would this theory work?

... considering the size of the AP which is in my opinion misused, e.g. providing security for government offices and banks, personalities and their families, guarding CIT… I think here we should look to go the S.A way; have reputable security companies empowered to provide armed security, with very close Police Commissioner and the internal security ministry supervision in terms of training, registration, control or small arms e.t.c this will allow the many cops and AP on such “peripheral” roles to be brought back into more active police duty roles…and with the expected opening up of the frontiers, this would allow active duty personnel to focus on more critical and strategic roles…

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  MWAURA on Thu Mar 15 2012, 15:44

ole Nkarei wrote:
areba wrote:hahahahaha @cyclon nice one!.


Thin line between friendly banter on Security issues and espionage, gentlemen!

But, two squadrons Mil M-28N ordered last year, 16 Units of these for delivery in 2012. Four of these angry ''Havoc'' birds already commissioned (can give you date/time/stamped receipt at LAB!!), pilot and operators conversion taking place SASA HIVI up North. Because delivery schedule was thrown off by Sammy, crated parts coming in for re-assembly HAPA HAPA Baba!!. Certainly one Squadron of 16 Units will eventually be commissioned this year.

Four Units of the Single-pilot Jet-fighter-type configured Kamov Ka-50 flying around up North on-trials. Fits into the gap of the delayed Mil deliveries. Likely KDF-AirCalv shall take in two squadrons of these too eventually.

Those pipelines from Lamu, the Corridor, and the entire 1800 eastern border depend on these gunships. And there is hurry as Djibouti has fallen to Qatari seduction to put up competing new Ports in Djibouti for just over USD4 Billion - will kills LAMU is this corridor was not as secure as a church/mosque.

Sasa, Cylon, goja picha wakati yake, kijana!! Utapata. Laughing
Excellent news! Btw, I read the Russian high command preferred the 2 seater KA-52 cause they feared work overload with a lone flier. I'd be very interested to hear the fliers post action comments. I get the rush over the havoc deliveries,but do we also save money from local assembly?
Without compromising opsec can you comment on the combat performance of the new equipment. The Pumas,z-9s (one crashed),Chinese APCs,M4s and their 5.56 mm cartridge (a reliable source said they're very dust shy)? Btw,nice to know the specops have their own soldier suit but what about the regulars-do they continue with the green Brit DPM in that unsuitable environment?
For the last time,what's the word on the KNS Jasiri? 3 weeks ago its arrival was imminent-what happened? It seems you were right about the UPDF t-90 story;not even a whisper of a reported sighting. Someone must have been floating a test balloon to see local reaction.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  cylon on Thu Mar 15 2012, 16:03

ole Nkarei wrote:[color=green]
areba wrote:hahahahaha @cyclon nice one!.
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Sasa, Cylon, goja picha wakati yake, kijana!! Utapata. Laughing

I am patient

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Guest on Thu Mar 15 2012, 16:08

MWAURA wrote:
Excellent news! Btw, I read the Russian high command preferred the 2 seater KA-52 cause they feared work overload with a lone flier. I'd be very interested to hear the fliers post action comments. I get the rush over the havoc deliveries,but do we also save money from local assembly?
Without compromising opsec can you comment on the combat performance of the new equipment. The Pumas,z-9s (one crashed),Chinese APCs,M4s and their 5.56 mm cartridge (a reliable source said they're very dust shy)? Btw,nice to know the specops have their own soldier suit but what about the regulars-do they continue with the green Brit DPM in that unsuitable environment?
For the last time,what's the word on the KNS Jasiri? 3 weeks ago its arrival was imminent-what happened? It seems you were right about the UPDF t-90 story;not even a whisper of a reported sighting. Someone must have been floating a test balloon to see local reaction.

Let us candidly admit that AS trolls this site with morbid interests – they would have to incompetent as a fighting force if they did not. We all know that there is small core inside AS of fighters trained in first world Armies and therefore they would know the value of scrolling through this site (and others such) and even posting their little ‘’counter-bits’’ too. It is all a legit part of War. A bit of what goes here are subtle warnings to AS, not just about KDF hardware abilities, but also KDF Manpower Content in terms of intellect and professionalism. I am certain you @Mwaura understand what I mean by the above.

Therefore I suggest that detailed discussions about the effectiveness of Equipment in Theatre or Equipment available for commitment to Theatre, ought to wait until the Theatre closes eventually – then we can all go crazy praising or criticizing the entire Operation all we want. Meantime, generalizations serve, Cool Ama?

@Cylon - thanks mate. In due course.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Olekoima on Thu Mar 15 2012, 16:37

Analyst wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:
areba wrote:hahahahaha @cyclon nice one!.


Thin line between friendly banter on Security issues and espionage, gentlemen!

But, two squadrons Mil M-28N ordered last year, 16 Units of these for delivery in 2012. Four of these angry ''Havoc'' birds already commissioned (can give you date/time/stamped receipt at LAB!!), pilot and operators conversion taking place SASA HIVI up North. Because delivery schedule was thrown off by Sammy, crated parts coming in for re-assembly HAPA HAPA Baba!!. Certainly one Squadron of 16 Units will eventually be commissioned this year.

Four Units of the Single-pilot Jet-fighter-type configured Kamov Ka-50 flying around up North on-trials. Fits into the gap of the delayed Mil deliveries. Likely KDF-AirCalv shall take in two squadrons of these too eventually.

Those pipelines from Lamu, the Corridor, and the entire 1800 eastern border depend on these gunships. And there is hurry as Djibouti has fallen to Qatari seduction to put up competing new Ports in Djibouti for just over USD4 Billion - will kills LAMU is this corridor was not as secure as a church/mosque.

Sasa, Cylon, goja picha wakati yake, kijana!! Utapata. Laughing

Quite a development....which suffice to tilt regional power balance to Kenya...
Geo-politically Kenya is home to very strategic economic interests of South Sudan and Ethiopia with Somalia and Uganda also very dependent on Kenya in accomplishing their economic goal (import sales and exports transit).
With massive infrastructure development and investment in all borders, Kenya has opened up the East African region to economic growth. (give a thumbs up to guys who do economic espionage at NSIS for a job well done).

Kenya as such has no choice but to shape the future of the region military and economically by staying ahead ....

The importance of the Djibouti port is of less magnitude compared to the Lamu Port for it serves only Djibouti and Ethiopia...the Lamu port serves Ethiopia, South Sudan, Kenya, and Uganda (they like it or hit it) and Somalia as well. Such largese underscores the need to have great defense capability to protect such investments....but our police force requires urgent rapid restructuring since its somewhat not a professional police force that can effectively provide real Homeland security effectively...


I still believe that it was a tactical blunder to omit M7 in the recent commissioning of works for the Lamu port. Uganda is key and very important gateway to markets in DRC,Rwanda,Burundi etc which Kenya badly needs. That said, i want to concur with analyst with his assertion that the Djibouti port will be of less magnitude compared to the Lamu port whatever happens. In the long term, the Djibouti port might turn out to be an added advantage to the entire region as well. The huge volume of trade which might acrue to Kenyana in future will clearly need much more than Lamu, Mombasa and Dar.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  cylon on Thu Mar 15 2012, 16:39

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Therefore I suggest that detailed discussions about the effectiveness of Equipment in Theatre or Equipment available for commitment to Theatre, ought to wait until the Theatre closes eventually – then we can all go crazy praising or criticizing the entire Operation all we want. Meantime, generalizations serve, Cool Ama?
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@Cylon - thanks mate. In due course.

You are 100% right nakeri we need to ensure the protection of our boys in conflict..
On the Kenyan navy bit are there gonna be possible beach landings in Insane town where heavy Armour and other equipment will be offloaded. And i hope this theater come to an end quick because sammy and johnny want to get involved into the geopolitical conflicts as much as possible

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Olekoima on Thu Mar 15 2012, 16:45

MWAURA wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:
areba wrote:hahahahaha @cyclon nice one!.


Thin line between friendly banter on Security issues and espionage, gentlemen!

But, two squadrons Mil M-28N ordered last year, 16 Units of these for delivery in 2012. Four of these angry ''Havoc'' birds already commissioned (can give you date/time/stamped receipt at LAB!!), pilot and operators conversion taking place SASA HIVI up North. Because delivery schedule was thrown off by Sammy, crated parts coming in for re-assembly HAPA HAPA Baba!!. Certainly one Squadron of 16 Units will eventually be commissioned this year.

Four Units of the Single-pilot Jet-fighter-type configured Kamov Ka-50 flying around up North on-trials. Fits into the gap of the delayed Mil deliveries. Likely KDF-AirCalv shall take in two squadrons of these too eventually.

Those pipelines from Lamu, the Corridor, and the entire 1800 eastern border depend on these gunships. And there is hurry as Djibouti has fallen to Qatari seduction to put up competing new Ports in Djibouti for just over USD4 Billion - will kills LAMU is this corridor was not as secure as a church/mosque.

Sasa, Cylon, goja picha wakati yake, kijana!! Utapata. Laughing
Excellent news! Btw, I read the Russian high command preferred the 2 seater KA-52 cause they feared work overload with a lone flier. I'd be very interested to hear the fliers post action comments. I get the rush over the havoc deliveries,but do we also save money from local assembly?
Without compromising opsec can you comment on the combat performance of the new equipment. The Pumas,z-9s (one crashed),Chinese APCs,M4s and their 5.56 mm cartridge (a reliable source said they're very dust shy)? Btw,nice to know the specops have their own soldier suit but what about the regulars-do they continue with the green Brit DPM in that unsuitable environment?
For the last time,what's the word on the KNS Jasiri? 3 weeks ago its arrival was imminent-what happened? It seems you were right about the UPDF t-90 story;not even a whisper of a reported sighting. Someone must have been floating a test balloon to see local reaction.

Looks like KNS Jasiri will not be coming after all. I have read several articles claiming that the military top brass have actually rejected it on account of being rusty and lacking certain military components. As such, it is reported that the Nigerian navy is interested in it. Kenya is probably interested in something else now. I will fish for the link where i read some of these stories.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  areba on Thu Mar 15 2012, 18:20

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17386161

Any insights @nkarei?

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  rwigi on Thu Mar 15 2012, 19:17

I still believe that it was a tactical blunder to omit M7 in the recent
commissioning of works for the Lamu port. Uganda is key and very
important gateway to markets in DRC,Rwanda,Burundi etc which Kenya badly
needs. That said, i want to concur with analyst with his assertion that
the Djibouti port will be of less magnitude compared to the Lamu port
whatever happens. In the long term, the Djibouti port might turn out to
be an added advantage to the entire region as well. The huge volume of
trade which might acrue to Kenyana in future will clearly need much more
than Lamu, Mombasa and Dar.

'Sibling' rivalry?

Which brings to mind the question, how will our beloved brothers in the 'land of the crested crane' get their black gold to the world? Through Dar,Msa?

I have read somewhere they have looked at the option of using the long Dar route. With the standard guage rail to Kla they should find this more attractive. Getting it out through Lamu/Msa is the most cost efficient route. Keeping them in the loop is a big plus for us.

With almost the entire region 'depending' on how stable and safe Ke is then the new 'workhorses' are a must have. Homeland security will take a whole new meaning. Huge pipelines are major targets of sabotage...esp now that we openly declared war on AS/Al Q. They may not strike today but 10 years down the line...

Was looking at the African map and was thinking who are our competitors for this 'route to the sea market'. Mozambique comes to the picture. They can easily offer an alternative to some of the countries in the Kenyana region. Zaire for instance, not sure they have oil but they are rich in other minerals,timber,etc. We need to offer a real good value proposition; security, costs, reliability,etc.

What about TZ? If they woke up from the slumber, can't they give us a run for our money? Djibouti has been discussed.
What about SA? Any chance of them kuharibu biashara? With Lamu their ports will in one or another lose some business. Can't they shore up TZ? The way Qataris are doing with Djibouti.

A competitive world it is. We have to put our best foot forward. One take! scratch

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  jasiri on Thu Mar 15 2012, 19:41

Mil M-28N ordered last year
very very pleased to know its the N night capable variant. very pleased.
Four Units of the Single-pilot Jet-fighter-type configured Kamov Ka-50 flying around up North on-trials
sometimes i think your room is full of smoke from illicit grasses when you write such. but all in all i understand the purpose of this site.
What about TZ? If they woke up from the slumber, can't they give us a run for our money?
i highly doubt that. For TZ to develop the Kind of infrastructure needed, the support infrastructure Military et al, it will require a massive investment which they simply can't afford nor support. the skills needed etc...for them to develop an army that can protect that they will actually risk a war with Kenya, remember how the Tanzanian psyche is soo anti-Kenyan. they just wont pass a chance to 'humiliate' us. separately will it make more sense for ships to bypass Lamu and go further ti Dar? As for brother Jecob down south, oh i have no illusion in my mind. they definitely will seek to derail this project.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  jasiri on Thu Mar 15 2012, 19:49

areba wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17386161

Any insights @nkarei?

My first reaction was, WTF is Ethiopia thinking? then i eased on the throtle n it occured to me...wait! Meles was here a few days ago. Kenya plans to storm Kismayo, Eritrea arms al-shabab, if Kenya storms Kismayo Al-Shabab will replenish its arms from Eritrea! Solution, wewe Meles endea hawa watu keep them busy, that way when al-shabab sends a please arm me message Isayas will tell em 'guys our hands are full here, we can't fulfill your request' bloody bure kabisa!...thats my one shilling.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  areba on Thu Mar 15 2012, 19:53

and ive always held the point of view that Kenya & Ethiopia have some pact along the lines of . It started with kenya tagging eritrea rogue, now meles can say, ¨Si hata KE waliwaonya¨...

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