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Another Feint a la Meles?

Post  Guest on Fri Mar 16 2012, 15:17

@Spartan - credible whiff of you chaps making large-scale ''hostile'' movements towards that line. Methinks that GoSS maneno is just smoke, brother? What gives?

BTW - there are some nasty stories that your chaps in Crazy Town haven't been paid since October last year by the AU!! Dammit, man, this is just not good at all. Who is yanking our chain in this AMISOM maneno?

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Post  Spartan on Fri Mar 16 2012, 15:48

ole Nkarei wrote:@Spartan - credible whiff of you chaps making large-scale ''hostile'' movements towards that line. Methinks that GoSS maneno is just smoke, brother? What gives?

Like I said, we are the adult here. GoSS is our baby in many respects. Besides, we have a lot in common to just throw it all away. This en-passe will be solved, diplomatically.

Smoke, what for? Our plate is full.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Risasi on Fri Mar 16 2012, 16:01

@B20..MX-15 stabilized recon turret is not in my squadron I have not sorted for it’s fully cap. Your query prompts me to do so. I will check on it . Frankly speaking I never come across an optical device that has that capability of distinguishing between friend and Foe. Feel me on similar details. That’s news for me. What part of GCC are you in..

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Batian on Fri Mar 16 2012, 16:23

Analyst wrote:
rwigi wrote:

i highly doubt that. For TZ to develop the Kind of infrastructure
needed, the support infrastructure Military et al, it will require a
massive investment which they simply can't afford nor support. the
skills needed etc...for them to develop an army that can protect that
they will actually risk a war with Kenya, remember how the Tanzanian
psyche is soo anti-Kenyan. they just wont pass a chance to 'humiliate'
us. separately will it make more sense for ships to bypass Lamu and go
further ti Dar? As for brother Jecob down south, oh i have no illusion
in my mind. they definitely will seek to derail this project.

.ke is one sleeping giant that is waking up rather violently. I think the hustler mentality in Kenya helps in a small way. Everyone is trying to make a killing. You build a house I want to build a bigger one. Glanced at the Kenya Railways site today and saw some dummy rail projects they want to implement. I pray-hope-wish-want them to implement all and more.
http://krc.co.ke/joomla/

I believe once we get all the hardware we need to guard the mega projects we will only be left with one enemy. Ourselves.
Would it be possible to for eg to make implementation of the entire Rwaza 2030 a law/requirement in the constitution or something? Such that every leader who leads Ke knows that it has to be done. We have had many white elephants not so long a while ago. This will also shield leaders from machinations from the likes of Johnie, Sammy and Uncle Jecobs.


Rwigi!!!

You have brought up one very crucial perspective into the limelight.
Kenya has massively outgrown its suit and shoes besides its neighbors and other cousins in Africa in geopolitical-economic-military size. (South Africa had to revise its defense budget as its airforce gradually degrades, Nigeria is so hapless as homeland security threats manifest rapidly and the airforce grounding almost every resources Chengdus retired, Egypt political class has infiltrated the army, and it could become a militant state, Central Africa has no military-economic power....South, we have only Angola doing ok). The only African country making serious military and economic gains 'strategically' is Kenya (critical look at their inventory of their war machine proves so) and economically (infrastructure, new great impetus in agriculture sector, more employment opportunities, and booming tourism besides bilateral trade and mining)

This aspect of Kenya's rapidly growing military and economic well-being is nascent and requires serious 'political security/insurance' to help sustenance of the military and economic gains so far secured.

Unfortunately, we are seeing these events as the President's regime mandate closes in to its end, meaning a caboodle of leaders with similarly exemplary capacity must be elected into place to continue managing and further expanding Kenya's current socio-economics, geopolitical largese, and military capability without rubbing neighbors and investors the wrong way besides maintaining the tempo of development.[i]

Post Kibaki era is a very sensitive stage in Kenya's growth and development having made last baby steps towards becoming a real big kid on the block!!

@ analyst I think you have made a very crucial point in your analysis. Question, How were the US able to create a gulf between their politics and its effects on their giant economy? I know it may be out of scope for us to understand but we need such a practical scenario working in Kenya by making politics less lucrative!! but how? Such volatile politics may be dangerous and unhealthy for a still growing and vibrant economy. Such "perfect politics" would be the reason that has cost our southern neighbor to move @ snails pace economically and with themselves being militant immediately when the Kenyan monetary integration comes to view and are always on the defensive. I can also tell you since Jomo's Death we had been slowly settling into such type of "perfect" politics and party manifestos" during chama ndio baba na mama era.

Somebody has also said in this forum that, TZ and Ug failed at many times to access the Kenyan economy which is quite the scenario. While we agree that countries may want to concote their own formula for revamping their economies, I think more and more solutions like LAPSSET is more likely to succeed more overtime based on the nature of African politics. Look @ RWANDA and Kagame they are actually turning that country around and quite fast. they had an almost political trumoil. but they have managed to restore some hope without the politics we have witnessed for decades in this country.

You have also talked of the critical military inventory, which I think should not be misused at any costs. we can see our northern neighbor has stuck military camps within their neighbors border and that would not be the scenario that wold push us to go and strike anywhere. Kenya is lucky because we can politically learn from our neighbors and they can borrow a leaf from us

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Observer on Fri Mar 16 2012, 17:53

[quote="efrommers"][quote="Analyst"][quote="rwigi"]



@ analyst I think you have made a very crucial point in your analysis. Question, How were the US able to create a gulf between their politics and its effects on their giant economy? I know it may be out of scope for us to understand but we need such a practical scenario working in Kenya by making politics less lucrative!! but how? Such volatile politics may be dangerous and unhealthy for a still growing and vibrant economy. Such "perfect politics" would be the reason that has cost our southern neighbor to move @ snails pace economically and with themselves being militant immediately when the Kenyan monetary integration comes to view and are always on the defensive. I can also tell you since Jomo's Death we had been slowly settling into such type of "perfect" politics and party manifestos" during chama ndio baba na mama era.

Somebody has also said in this forum that, TZ and Ug failed at many times to access the Kenyan economy which is quite the scenario. While we agree that countries may want to concote their own formula for revamping their economies, I think more and more solutions like LAPSSET is more likely to succeed more overtime based on the nature of African politics. Look @ RWANDA and Kagame they are actually turning that country around and quite fast. they had an almost political trumoil. but they have managed to restore some hope without the politics we have witnessed for decades in this country.

You have also talked of the critical military inventory, which I think should not be misused at any costs. we can see our northern neighbor has stuck military camps within their neighbors border and that would not be the scenario that wold push us to go and strike anywhere. Kenya is lucky because we can politically learn from our neighbors and they can borrow a leaf from us

It seems the region is seeking higher ideals, but politics hold the trump card … http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE75F00920110616 … but what does this portend for the current “Kenyana arms race”? … won’t the success of such a trading block dilute the need for individual escalation in arms posturing to allow for trade … or will it increase need for the same in the interim to ensure safe trade corridors … interesting development in this region though …

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  areba on Fri Mar 16 2012, 18:27

Observer wrote:
It seems the region is seeking higher ideals, but politics hold the trump card … http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE75F00920110616 … but what does this portend for the current “Kenyana arms race”? … won’t the success of such a trading block dilute the need for individual escalation in arms posturing to allow for trade … or will it increase need for the same in the interim to ensure safe trade corridors … interesting development in this region though …

I think the safest route would be phased integration, one important concern that supersedes the need for that thing they call rules of origin is harmonization of the instruments of production. land, power and human capital. Towards this end maybe the brothers in DRC, Uganda and SSudan can help immensely.

Just imagine a Grand Inga running at full capacity giving us 80+ Gw of cheap, renewable energy.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Ned Starks Head on Fri Mar 16 2012, 19:05

Analyst wrote:analysis on our air-force points we are closer to having a fleet of F-16 anytime

Most countries with F-16 squadrons explain why KAF will be armed with F-16.

Three case scenarios quantify my theory (coarse body of information-analysis-product)

Jordan
Jordanian Air-Force used to fly F-5s which they sold to KAF. They acquired the F-16 fighting Falcons (1997).
The Jordanian air force then added to this fleet in 2003, 17. USAF F-16A/B ADFs
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Moroco
Moroccan Air Force has four fighter squadrons, two with F-5's and two with Mirage F1's. The F-5 got old and upgrading them was not an option and buying Mirage 2000's were not realized. Moroccans bought twenty-four F-16C/D Block 52 aircraft to replace the F-5 and some of the Mirage F1s.

Republic of South Korea


S.Korea still operates 104 units of F-5 which were its first air-force might but acquired 118 F-16C B-series fighter/bombers besides F-15s.

Its a cycle and Kenya certainly is on the same orbit of F-16 after F-5s

Anyalyst if you read my historical posts you will have seen this is what I maintain all the time i.e. majority of the F-5 operators have transitioned to late block sixteens and not fifteeens. Which is why the talk of the fifteens I always find puzzling. Its possible but always looks difficult to fathom.

With regards to the LAPSSET project marginalizing TZ - there is a probability of this occurring only if the project is executed in a timely fashion. Don't forget Uncle woo didn't get where is is by being stupid. For all accounts they are far more deeply integrated into TZ as compared to KE. If you look a little further you will see they are very cleverly hedging their bets by also considering in developing a port much further north of Dar i.e. KE snoozes and it has a loooot to loose. Kenya must bring SS into its orbit or it risks being left behind due to it being natrual resource poor

I would also hope to hear your views on the Nubians incursions into Eritrea. What purpose to this especially at a time when they are already engaged in their eastern flank. It seems like an unnecessary distraction.

But defintly I agree on you that for KE to transition into a subsaharan power it needs good leader ship over the next 2 election cycles. We need leader who can harness the innate 'hustling' capacity of the Kenyan public.

Finally where did the good Admiral Adama disappear to? Or is he now one with him/her self?


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Cape-to-Cairo Trading Block??

Post  Guest on Fri Mar 16 2012, 20:43

This is a dangerous concept, really not so new having been around in one form or another with Third World / First World interactions for Decades, and whose resurrection at this moment in our times detracts presently running homegrown African initiative to refocus Africa’s growth matrixes onto greater intra-africa exchange of manufactured products and services away from the traditional outward primary products/ import o everything nature of our economies. We know that the serious disparities in our capacities, between Nations, is the primary hindrance to integration – resulting in the classic-type TZ’s start-and-stop behavior. Consequently, Africa determines that Regional Blocks which manifest substantial synergy become the foundation of our integration with the purpose to overcome these disparities with time (as we in the EAC have been doing progressively for the past ten years) and eventually then drive an amalgamation of these various Regional Blocks. The EAC logically gives concept to a “Kenyana’’ that shows such potential reality as to attract the usual carnivores.

This insidious South African-initiated recipe subjugates the rest of Africa in the manner that Colonialists crafted fifty years ago –European Conglomerates springboard from South Africa into Africa, with the rest of Africa squabbling over the crumbles that fall off the table.

"South Africa stands to gain hands down because we have the export capacity and the other countries don't," said Peter Draper, a trade expert at the South African Institute of International Affairs. "It's not a tough sell here. Business is interested and the unions are interested."

"Following this argument, manufacturing in Egypt and Kenya, the region's second-most advanced economies, should also emerge winners although TRALAC estimated the net gains as negligible. The other big winner, according to TRALAC, will be Mozambique, a major sugar grower but currently an outlier in Africa's spaghetti soup of regional trade and customs groupings.’’


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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  cylon on Fri Mar 16 2012, 21:55

[quote="mwepesi"] bounce bounce bounce

Been offl-net a while only to come back and find the walls spattered with lots of content had to take time and read all.

cylon wrote:
That project has been in the works for 30 years those things were contextualized during the nyayo era to improve infrastructure but the plans were never full implemented because it had major road blocks one was funding and the other was the kibera which the track cuts through the slum and there will be no way kenya will have a standard gauge line if it doesnt solve the issue of kibera.

Also doesnt Msa airport have a 2nd runway? How come its never used or does kdf use it?

@ cylon Come on dude, you can do better than this, it's called planning then when funding is available you revise your design to reflect the current dynamics on the ground. The Kibera thing is just BS, when funding is available those guys will be removed from the place kifua game. Look at Thika Road for reference. About MSA Airport, Seriously did you ask such question??? Ok let me help you, Go to google earth and zoom to the MSA Airport while at it just somewhere near the terminal you will find your answer. also use the History tool/ tab and look at same images taken over time. affraid affraid affraid [quote]


You knew what i meant, The kibera guys will not leave because of funding they would ring all the bells screaming that its human rights abuse etc unless the government plans to give them a proper settlement somewhere else it will be an uphill task trying to convince the people there to move. So its used by the military and the president right. but do to the sensitivity of the subject i will cease to talk about it

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Sierra Kilo on Fri Mar 16 2012, 22:04

ole Nkarei wrote: This insidious South African-initiated recipe subjugates the rest of Africa in the manner that Colonialists crafted fifty years ago –European Conglomerates springboard from South Africa into Africa, with the rest of Africa squabbling over the crumbles that fall off the table.

Just Like NEPAD this is an idea bourne out of the usual affliction to 'superiority complex' by the South Africans and is bound to fail. With their population engaging in acts of xenophobia against foreign African citizens, i doubt that they will be ready to open their borders to the same and without the requirement of a Visa. Just recently they deported over 200 nigerians whom they said had forged yellow fever cards.

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BLACK GOLD

Post  cylon on Fri Mar 16 2012, 22:46

HYDROCARBONS SEARCHING IN KENYA

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Guest on Sat Mar 17 2012, 00:18

Ned Starks Head wrote:
Finally where did the good Admiral Adama disappear to? Or is he now one with him/her self?

You missed me lol im here every friday i dont log in because its never my free time i have been following the updates. "Or is he one with him/her self" what do you mean are you still suggesting im someone else Question.

@ Risasi are you flying those Mi-28s or are you the test pilot of tht Ka-50 how does the bird fly?


@Analyst A very good assesment of the region i also have felt Tz/Ug have always have some sort of deep hatred with Ke ever since we no longer were a single party state we have a dictator to our west and socialists in the south and they feel threatened by our recent expansion but they shouldn't be we are all brothers and sisters here and each of our three nations have different strengths that are offered at the table.

@nakeri what is the situation on the illemi triangle i have always thought ever since kenya introduced the new constitution that all former disputed lands officially became kenyan territory or this isnt the case? please provide some insight

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NEW FORCE STRUCTURES OR??....

Post  MWAURA on Sat Mar 17 2012, 10:06

We now have a 100+ new gunships expected,the mi 28s,ka 50s,z 9s and new mi -17s. Does this portend a larger airmobile brigade or will we continue with the same beefed up aircav battalion with a huge TOE reserve? Or will they be dispersed to infantry units giving them an organic air capacity?
Same question with the armour-we now have enough T-72s,Vickers 3s,Panhards and BRDMs for an entire division and maybe a battalion to spare-will there be a new armour division or will these assets be dispersed to infantry units?
The entire KNS Jasiri story is an example of why Johnny/Sammy will always laugh at ignorant Africans. They sabotaged the whole deal and now we're guarding Kenyana coast which begins in Djibouti ending in N.Mozambique WITH 5 GUNBOATS!! Just for that fcukery if it were up to me I'd straight away cancel the training agreement with Johnny and make sure their agenda in Somalia comes to naught. Are there plans afoot for another OPV? As of last year the French were delivering 5 retired refitted 180 footers and had delivered 2-what about the remaining 3??

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Batian on Sat Mar 17 2012, 12:53

[quote="Observer"][quote="efrommers"][quote="Analyst"]
rwigi wrote:



@ analyst I think you have made a very crucial point in your analysis. Question, How were the US able to create a gulf between their politics and its effects on their giant economy? I know it may be out of scope for us to understand but we need such a practical scenario working in Kenya by making politics less lucrative!! but how? Such volatile politics may be dangerous and unhealthy for a still growing and vibrant economy. Such "perfect politics" would be the reason that has cost our southern neighbor to move @ snails pace economically and with themselves being militant immediately when the Kenyan monetary integration comes to view and are always on the defensive. I can also tell you since Jomo's Death we had been slowly settling into such type of "perfect" politics and party manifestos" during chama ndio baba na mama era.

Somebody has also said in this forum that, TZ and Ug failed at many times to access the Kenyan economy which is quite the scenario. While we agree that countries may want to concote their own formula for revamping their economies, I think more and more solutions like LAPSSET is more likely to succeed more overtime based on the nature of African politics. Look @ RWANDA and Kagame they are actually turning that country around and quite fast. they had an almost political trumoil. but they have managed to restore some hope without the politics we have witnessed for decades in this country.

You have also talked of the critical military inventory, which I think should not be misused at any costs. we can see our northern neighbor has stuck military camps within their neighbors border and that would not be the scenario that wold push us to go and strike anywhere. Kenya is lucky because we can politically learn from our neighbors and they can borrow a leaf from us

It seems the region is seeking higher ideals, but politics hold the trump card … http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE75F00920110616 … but what does this portend for the current “Kenyana arms race”? … won’t the success of such a trading block dilute the need for individual escalation in arms posturing to allow for trade … or will it increase need for the same in the interim to ensure safe trade corridors … interesting development in this region though …

well it depends with those who are in power circles and their agenda as we can see our western neighbour is striving as hard as he can above their means to reach the cut-off standards the Kenyan economy is posing. well we are yet to see how he will fair while he is trying to juggle many balls at the same time. The creation of trade corridors is vital for the EAC region as a whole since we have witnessed in the past couple of years how political stalemates can cripple a working economy and yes such will diffuse the individual escalation in an arms race.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Guest on Sat Mar 17 2012, 13:59

MWAURA wrote: ...... dispersed to infantry units giving them an organic air capacity?
.......will these assets be dispersed to infantry units?


These are very flux times for KDF, @Mwaura, dictated by contemporary Geo-Politics. A revolution is presently under-way in KDF sucking in other Security and Intelligence Agencies in Kenya. Large Static Army Formations, are definitely outmodelled - we could mobilize in case of general war. Force-projection shifts to small, specialized, highly fluid, very compartmentalized Units that draw pooled resources such as air-lift, combat-support by Armour / fixed and rotary Air / etc.

Clearly in an Integrated Econo-Political Block with a common Security Umbrella of sorts, engagements such as the Ethiopia vs Eritrea War, or the two African World Wars in the DRC, will become very unlikely.

Not even the Kamov and Mi28 share battlefield definitions, and even these two divert substantially from the z9

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Pass-the-Books-hold-the-Oil

Post  Guest on Sat Mar 17 2012, 14:14

I came across the following article online,

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/opinion/sunday/friedman-pass-the-books-hold-the-oil.html

"Moses arduously led the Jews for 40 years through the desert — just to bring them to the only country in the Middle East that had no oil. But Moses may have gotten it right, after all. Today, Israel has one of the most innovative economies, and its population enjoys a standard of living most of the oil-rich countries in the region are not able to offer.”

Historically, in Africa, Hydro-Carbons have brought about complications instead of solutions. I really do hope that this time round our Leaders (including our leaders in the Military) are positioning East Africa's 120 Million + Population to take advantage of the emerging Hydo-Carbon economies in Kenyana.

I also hope that Hydro-Carbon finds announcements in Kenya are held of in the middle- to-short-term as I think we are not ready to handle the complications that will arise. The "usual suspects" will want a Piece of the action & we are not there yet, as in, how will we deal with the usual problems. The potential problems that will arise from communities living in this places have still not been addressed. There should be a marked push for education & development of the this communities so that when the time comes they dont feel marginalized.

This calls for more than military preparation but winning over of the peoples ideology. This is where I think we're not ready. Unless you can convince me otherwise.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  chui on Sat Mar 17 2012, 19:14

ole Nkarei wrote:
MWAURA wrote: ...... dispersed to infantry units giving them an organic air capacity?
.......will these assets be dispersed to infantry units?


These are very flux times for KDF, @Mwaura, dictated by contemporary Geo-Politics. A revolution is presently under-way in KDF sucking in other Security and Intelligence Agencies in Kenya. Large Static Army Formations, are definitely outmodelled - we could mobilize in case of general war. Force-projection shifts to small, specialized, highly fluid, very compartmentalized Units that draw pooled resources such as air-lift, combat-support by Armour / fixed and rotary Air / etc.

Clearly in an Integrated Econo-Political Block with a common Security Umbrella of sorts, engagements such as the Ethiopia vs Eritrea War, or the two African World Wars in the DRC, will become very unlikely.

Not even the Kamov and Mi28 share battlefield definitions, and even these two divert substantially from the z9

Secrets KONY 2012 Is Desperate to Hide



watch?v=oNzzf76FV_c&feature=plcp&context=C495413dVDvjVQa1PpcFOVvqnVN23oib0MgYD5SRj2BzKYwBFdzhM%3D

Kenyana could be dead in the water before it even gains traction if the information I have gleaned from this video is anything to go by......

KDF might have to aquiesce to the left wing globalists game plan for Africa..... unless of course China and Russia give their backing to KDF which would in effect transform a regional issue into global one.

Kenyana could, God forbid, become a possible World War 3 ignition point just like the Persian Gulf. No No

Very, very scary.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  Guest on Sat Mar 17 2012, 20:07

chui wrote:

watch?v=oNzzf76FV_c&feature=plcp&context=C495413dVDvjVQa1PpcFOVvqnVN23oib0MgYD5SRj2BzKYwBFdzhM%3D

Kenyana could be dead in the water before it even gains traction if the information I have gleaned from this video is anything to go by......

KDF might have to aquiesce to the left wing globalists game plan for Africa..... unless of course China and Russia give their backing to KDF which would in effect transform a regional issue into global one.

Kenyana could, God forbid, become a possible World War 3 ignition point just like the Persian Gulf. No No

Very, very scary.

Eiish, bana, there goes my sleep!! Throw me a bone, it you please! That is an expansive statement, Chui. Please expound or share a link. Btw, you are most welcome here.


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The High Seas

Post  cylon on Sat Mar 17 2012, 20:10

[quote="MWAURA"
The entire KNS Jasiri story is an example of why Johnny/Sammy will always laugh at ignorant Africans. They sabotaged the whole deal and now we're guarding Kenyana coast which begins in Djibouti ending in N.Mozambique WITH 5 GUNBOATS!! Just for that fcukery if it were up to me I'd straight away cancel the training agreement with Johnny and make sure their agenda in Somalia comes to naught. Are there plans afoot for another OPV? As of last year the French were delivering 5 retired refitted 180 footers and had delivered 2-what about the remaining 3??[/quote]


I believe kenya will acquire better, cheaper,big destroyers for our navy to protect the kenyana region. we both can acquire foreign made or locally made gunboats or destroyers etc we can reverse engineer them so they fit our standards with the schematics of the Kns jasiri we can build onejust like it but better and bigger that would fit our off shore needs johhny/sammy will not expect us to build our own ships.

http://www.africanmarine.com/main.htm

Here is a link to a company that has been building ships in mombasa since since 1928 and the kenyan government owns it so they can be making our ships if we told them and we can set up an engineering college so that the youth all around kenyan can be brought here and learn how to be great engineers.

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  jasiri on Sat Mar 17 2012, 20:18

GoK does NOT own africa marine. http://af.reuters.com/article/kenyaNews/idAFL5E8EH08020120317

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Re: Kenya Defence Force

Post  cylon on Sat Mar 17 2012, 20:29

chui wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:
MWAURA wrote: ...... dispersed to infantry units giving them an organic air capacity?
.......will these assets be dispersed to infantry units?


These are very flux times for KDF, @Mwaura, dictated by contemporary Geo-Politics. A revolution is presently under-way in KDF sucking in other Security and Intelligence Agencies in Kenya. Large Static Army Formations, are definitely outmodelled - we could mobilize in case of general war. Force-projection shifts to small, specialized, highly fluid, very compartmentalized Units that draw pooled resources such as air-lift, combat-support by Armour / fixed and rotary Air / etc.

Clearly in an Integrated Econo-Political Block with a common Security Umbrella of sorts, engagements such as the Ethiopia vs Eritrea War, or the two African World Wars in the DRC, will become very unlikely.

Not even the Kamov and Mi28 share battlefield definitions, and even these two divert substantially from the z9

Secrets KONY 2012 Is Desperate to Hide



watch?v=oNzzf76FV_c&feature=plcp&context=C495413dVDvjVQa1PpcFOVvqnVN23oib0MgYD5SRj2BzKYwBFdzhM%3D

Kenyana could be dead in the water before it even gains traction if the information I have gleaned from this video is anything to go by......

KDF might have to aquiesce to the left wing globalists game plan for Africa..... unless of course China and Russia give their backing to KDF which would in effect transform a regional issue into global one.

Kenyana could, God forbid, become a possible World War 3 ignition point just like the Persian Gulf. No No

Very, very scary.

First of all its not a good way to introduce yourself in such a myopic kind of way into this forum So hello there Chui. We have already discussed Kony 2012 was a scam days ago so please return and reread and reread the pages of comments that spewed from all our respected minds, ''What is very,very scary''
is that you're actually believing in propaganda that spews from western media day/night about its time for war its time for war etc you need to do some research or reread and reread the contents of this forums before blatantly embarrassing yourself.



They are still at it, forum because this is an african problem should we Africans deal with it or the international community

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Post  cylon on Sat Mar 17 2012, 20:33

jasiri wrote:GoK does NOT own africa marine. http://af.reuters.com/article/kenyaNews/idAFL5E8EH08020120317


That was a typo jasiri i meant to say used to own africanmarine about a 33% of the company in 1976. I believe the Gok we should try and own a small percentage of the company again. I remember you had posted about this company in the other KDF blog so i thought we bring it up again because things are beginning to get serious.

Chai is also warming up i see it.AS must be wetting there pants because the end is near for them so they attack us and we will return the fire 10x more worse.



Museveni Has Awoke http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/17/us-uganda-kony-idUSBRE82G09V20120317

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Post  chui on Sat Mar 17 2012, 21:30

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First of all its not a good way to introduce yourself in such a myopic kind of way into this forum So hello there Chui. We have already discussed Kony 2012 was a scam days ago so please return and reread and reread the pages of comments that spewed from all our respected minds, ''What is very,very scary''
is that you're actually believing in propaganda that spews from western media day/night about its time for war its time for war etc you need to do some research or reread and reread the contents of this forums before blatantly embarrassing yourself.[/quote]

Hello Cyclon, sorry if I came across as myopic, but I am a patriot and have the best interests at heart for my country and our gallant soldiers.

The question is this, why have two US Congress lawmakers introduced a resolution that seeks to deepen US military involvement in Africa on the back of this KONY 2012 hoax? Yes it is a hoax, but it seems to me to be a frontage for some much grander machinations.

Additionally, this is despite the fact that Joseph Kony and LRA have been virtually inactive for six years. I think KDF and the intelligence networks should keep their antennae up and sniff for clues into this seemingly well choreographed move by the US to restore its hegemony over this part of the world.

And to Mr. Ole Nkarei, check out infowars.com

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Post  cylon on Sat Mar 17 2012, 21:42

chui wrote:quote]

First of all its not a good way to introduce yourself in such a myopic kind of way into this forum So hello there Chui. We have already discussed Kony 2012 was a scam days ago so please return and reread and reread the pages of comments that spewed from all our respected minds, ''What is very,very scary''
is that you're actually believing in propaganda that spews from western media day/night about its time for war its time for war etc you need to do some research or reread and reread the contents of this forums before blatantly embarrassing yourself.

Hello Cyclon, sorry if I came across as myopic, but I am a patriot and have the best interests at heart for my country and our gallant soldiers.

The question is this, why have two US Congress lawmakers introduced a resolution that seeks to deepen US military involvement in Africa on the back of this KONY 2012 hoax? Yes it is a hoax, but it seems to me to be a frontage for some much grander machinations.

Additionally, this is despite the fact that Joseph Kony and LRA have been virtually inactive for six years. I think KDF and the intelligence networks should keep their antennae up and sniff for clues into this seemingly well choreographed move by the US to restore its hegemony over this part of the world.

And to Mr. Ole Nkarei, check out infowars.com[/quote]

We are wazalendo and we will do anything to protect it.The reason those two congress lawmakers did that was to continue bush's plan of AFRICOM which is a military base that would dictate all geopolitical situations in africa and continue the white mans pillage of africa.Many african leaders awoke and formed a shield Nigeria to the west Southafrica in the south Kenya in the east and Egypt or Libya in the North but after the fall of Gaddafi its undecided who will take the reins in the north and we need to rebuild this shield with Cairo and Tripoli so we can continue to silence this new western agression. Dont worry about KDF they are fully awake and are not as lethargic at intelligence collection like our neighbors( No Offense guys) From the President to the lowest ranking Analyst are all working hard to lay countermeasures to ensure no such thing as AFRICOM/other manenos will not take root anywhere in africa. Anybody on this forum can back me up on that.


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western military industrial complex needs new enemies

Post  countersniper on Sat Mar 17 2012, 23:34

The grear knoy 2012hoax


"The question is this, why have two US Congress
lawmakers introduced a resolution that seeks to deepen US military
involvement in Africa on the back of this KONY 2012 hoax?
Yes it is a hoax, but it seems to me to be a frontage for some much grander machinations."





FIRSTLY, CONGRESS did not authorize Obama to send 100 special forces to UGANDA...as far as i know OBAMA made an executive decision to by pass congress because he felt the republicans would not agree to American soldiers on the ground in Africa for reasons not linked to American national security interests directly.
The postings were so quiet and barely made it to the mainstream American media who were fixated on the republican presidential debates, that it was days later that they realized what Obama had done.
I think the western military industrial complex needs new enemies to hunt and kill in order to justify more and more arms sales after production.

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Post  Guest on Sun Mar 18 2012, 00:43

@Cyclon .. contrary to your assertation, I think AFRICOM .. or rather AFRICON is already on the ground dude .. particularly in Kenya forget about the larger Kenyana or Africa in general. Last time I was within the vicinity of Manda bay .. "Camp simba" in particular, what I saw to me essentially looked liked "boots on the ground" for AFRICOM. No way your getting to camp simba without clearance from sam's boys .. the sorrounding perimeter is guarded 24/7 by him. The seebee's where quite active there .. constracted 2 runways coupled by a Naval landing.The on going construction in Wajir is neither a coincidence or a favor to KDF .. let no one fool you but thats another AFRICON project and my friend this one is major. The Idea as we all know bourne out of Rt.General "Kip" .. is to disperse africom all over africa without necessarily instigating the africans. Keeping the CNC offshore while operating small FOB's deep inside africa. Am not entirely sure .. but am starting to think sammy almost fooled even the most intelligents minds in Kenyana .. Sammy is literally setting base in your yard and your all bitching about UG and what not. If you believe that some americans birds might be landing .. just know the americans are landing as well.

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Post  Guest on Sun Mar 18 2012, 01:16

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Niaje wee bana!!! Emancipate yourself, African!! AFRICON is not and will not find HQ in Kenya. We have offered to'' integrate'' into the general scheme Sammy's strategy in Africa - the lesser of the evils, and the SEEBEES are simply giving us Capacity towards this intention. That is why the Eagles are about to fly your Flag, dude, and why all that tapestry of ''Kenyana'' takes clarity and shape. Did you know that you must be an Undergrad to be Commissioned in most basic Military rank in the KDF Officer Corps? We are not that handicapped as to be ringed in by such a transparent scheme by Sammy or anyone else! Have faith, people!!

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Post  cylon on Sun Mar 18 2012, 01:52

KiB'z wrote:@Cyclon .. contrary to your assertation, I think AFRICOM .. or rather AFRICON is already on the ground dude .. particularly in Kenya forget about the larger Kenyana or Africa in general. Last time I was within the vicinity of Manda bay .. "Camp simba" in particular, what I saw to me essentially looked liked "boots on the ground" for AFRICOM. No way your getting to camp simba without clearance from sam's boys .. the sorrounding perimeter is guarded 24/7 by him. The seebee's where quite active there .. constracted 2 runways coupled by a Naval landing.The on going construction in Wajir is neither a coincidence or a favor to KDF .. let no one fool you but thats another AFRICON project and my friend this one is major. The Idea as we all know bourne out of Rt.General "Kip" .. is to disperse africom all over africa without necessarily instigating the africans. Keeping the CNC offshore while operating small FOB's deep inside africa. Am not entirely sure .. but am starting to think sammy almost fooled even the most intelligents minds in Kenyana .. Sammy is literally setting base in your yard and your all bitching about UG and what not. If you believe that some americans birds might be landing .. just know the americans are landing as well.

Camp Simba is Not a full american base they are giving us logistical support and to train our navy boys to handle anything on the high seas or threats on our coast dont quote me on this but i think they must be training kenyan naval teams to be very covert seal teams to handle any situation at sea it would only explain the location near water and kenyan naval base. Only 50 soldiers are stationed there not a real army AFRICOM(N) Would associate about a force from 50 to 60 thousands American soldiers that would serve the whole of africa. On the Wajir front its a Favor to kenya one because we can fully land monstrous planes when its complete and second it will host our jets/civilan aircrafts and it will be our northeastern gateway. And AFRICOM would like to build a base in the most unstable country in the continent so tell me why after the fall of Gaddafi rebels ermerged from everywhere in nigeria Boko Haram began getting out of control, In both Mali and Chad alqueda like groups emergerd from the desert and began fighting government troops, This Hoax of a Kony Saga that is playing out and the darfur and south sudan regions where conflicts are happening,Old dictaors are facing death this year in africa uganda to senegal, zimbabwe, sierra leone, E.Guinea etc are all facing major elections and Somebody out there would want to destablize these regions so American troops would swoop in to save the day. Kibz Sammy hasnt fooled anybody in this region like i said in my previews post from the president to the lowest level nsis anaylst are working so no AFRICOM base will not be held in africa or in kenya like i said 5 countries will stand as the shield of africa

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Post  Guest on Sun Mar 18 2012, 03:48

I can more than assure you cyclon .. that "camp simba is a fully-fledged american kitty, nothing to get jittery about but obviously something to watch for .. so is wajir, mind you at a much bigger scale .. believe me or not that ain't a Kenyana thing .. I must be naive to believe sammy will do such a project without cashing in. Am blogging outta ma local pub in kibich .. kibera .. so I will blog more later when i get home .. gotta drive back to base .. 5TH outta gilgil

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Post  cylon on Sun Mar 18 2012, 06:02

KiB'z wrote:I can more than assure you cyclon .. that "camp simba is a fully-fledged american kitty, nothing to get jittery about but obviously something to watch for .. so is wajir, mind you at a much bigger scale .. believe me or not that ain't a Kenyana thing .. I must be naive to believe sammy will do such a project without cashing in. Am blogging outta ma local pub in kibich .. kibera .. so I will blog more later when i get home .. gotta drive back to base .. 5TH outta gilgil

Wajir is fully for kenyana in the future but they are expanding it so it can accommodate ac-130 gunships and the globemasters to hunt out rebels in the Ogden region in Ethiopia second wajir is gonna become even more important once lamu. But nakeri clarify what is the tru purpose of wajir expansion?

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