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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  countersniper on Tue Jun 05 2012, 13:22

Flying Crane wrote:i would rule out loiter sorties or air interception mission along the Kenya border.
1. jets are to fast to spot any credible ground movements. Esp. old planes like F-5 whose radar can’t look down, so visual sighting of an enemy from the cockpit is almost impossible.
2. air interception is out of the question as Somalia doest have an air force and all the neighboring air force are on the side of KE in the Somalia theater.
3. so that leaves as with technical issues. Maybe the F-5 in the Somalia Theater were old ones and the air frame didn’t allow that kind of speedy maneuvers.
My to cents

@crane..my explanations above were to help balozi get the idea.your two cents don't make any sense
anyway we don't know what the mission was and the destinations of the planes he saw... but am sure Kenyan F5 were upgraded with more modern radar and avionics from Israel to enable them carry out roles needed for our needs.and we have been having combat air patrols since before we went to finish alshabab as you can see from this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cTFqOCJhhA


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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Observer on Tue Jun 05 2012, 14:28

Bullet man, KDF sure doesn't plan sorties like that...my point on the "Chai" is that delays that aren't strategic from a military perspective are unnecessary (i,m sure KDF has a blue print ready and locked by now going by snippets from uniforms on this forum) and shouldn't hold off what might as well close the last biggest objective and allow all players to put energies on the political process, which is in my view even more tasking than the capture of the key towns ... i also doubt this sense of pride talk with Shariff in the picture, seems the problem is reckoning that the port's admin may not be on his terms ... a quick political board move on the issue is needed and based on the snippets that are emerging there's a lot that's not being said, Kismayu admin and not its capture is the big elephant... with guys like Madhobe and his "tax head" then Shariff perhaps feels anxious, but which ever way if August comes and there's still "pride staking" issues then there might be a price to pay. My two sense says KDF political brokers should push with key players for advance to go ahead before we run out of time and space ...we've also always seen sammy and co. playing a hand in these holdups...is this another one of those, with UNSC as a proxy? ... does the MOU specifically stop KDF from advancing on Kismayu? and what kind of power does Shariff have over the go or stay on Kismayu? ... plan B if things get thick over Kismayu?

The fall of Afmadhow no doubt puts urgency on matters; Madhobe and General Ismail seem cozy...this may be unnerving Shariff.

On the DN articles I like the positioning KDF is receiving despite some unsettling inuendos from the Journalist, KDF is clearly proved as a smart force, fighting battles using intell based strategy and using fire power tactically, it has ensured collateral damage is minimal; a sure way to win heart and minds ... kudos Bullet man, ON and the rest of the uniforms ...

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Now THE USA senate votes to stop funding KDF.

Post  countersniper on Tue Jun 05 2012, 14:45

THIS IS NOT GOOD.they can o to hell.

i think the republican lead senate dislike for Obama is going too far
we can get Chinese or Russian weapons and training...
HRW watch my ass.?
these NGOS writing fake reports to justify funding must be kicked out of Kenya.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000059321&story_title=US-Senate:-Stop-military-funding-to-Kenya-
Now this report by SNA bigins to make some sense...
KDF Eye on Kismayo, the AMISOM Triangle Complex

June 5 | Posted by David Goldman |STRATEGIC INTELLIGENCE NEWS.
The
interest of strategic military players in Somalia particularly Uganda
and Ethiopia are diverse. This diversity is explained by the lust for
Kismayo, the last stronghold of the Al-Qaeda Affiliated Al-Shabaab.
Kismayo lies in the sector commanded by the Kenyan defense forces.
Ethiopia
is not serving under AMISOM, hence its claim on Kismayo which is
operated by Kenya Army is an offensive interest. Uganda and Burundi
operate the Mogadishu and its neighboring districts hence their claim on
Kismayo which miles away from the jurisdiction is also offensive.
Intelligence gathered on Ethiopian interests in Somalia exhibit American
interests with Ethiopia as the proxy. In an effort to clarify its
position, Ethiopia insists its quest for Kismayo is driven by TFG and US
demands. Ethiopia foreign and defense ministries have hinted that the
US and TFG officials asked them to speedily take Kismayo.
What
makes Kismayo the ultimate prize for the three key players (KDF, EPDF,
& UPDF) is the tilting of military power in the region. While this
is the theoretically correct factor, geopolitical, external forces push
Uganda and Ethiopia to scramble for Kismayo and beat KDF at it.
Military
and security analysts point military power as a core factor with the
army that takes Kismayo as the ultimate regional super-power. However,
that is partly the crux, but Kismayo is merely a port city controlling
an economy but not a central government base hence less strategic both
politico-economically.
The Geopolitics of Somalia Military Conflict
The
geopolitics of Somalia are diverse with controversy with the West
having closed its eyes and forgot the conflict. Neighboring Kenya
planned for years with the US, Britain, and France how Somalia could be
restored. In Somalia War Theater, the AMISOM players want to prove who
is who in the regional geopolitics’ and who has the better army besides
who has more influence in the West.
Events that led to the October
2011 entry of KDF to Al-Shabaab strongholds remain both mysterious and
under intelligence bottle cap. The abducted persons have never been
heard from nor rescue plans made.



Kenya
as such had planned the war and had their interests in Somalia carved
out. Kenya had trained 4000 Somali troops and facilitated their arming.
Kenya deployed these troops then sought pro-government militia alliances
including the Ras-Kamboni brigade and ASWJ. These alliances have played
the central role in shaping the future of the Somalia. Unfortunately,
the military plan and exit strategy that Kenya used was not popular with
the US, Britain, and France. They warned Kenya against attacking
Somalia.
The ramifications of this discontent may be playing out
in the current AMISOM scenario. Strategic Intelligence has confirmed
dozens of American and British military programs for Uganda where Uganda
Army has received both training and military help. The Kenyan’s success
in Somalia has not gone down very well with these global powers.
These
military training programs signal a shift in geopolitical focus with
the West favoring Uganda as the regional military player to oust Kenya
position. Ethiopia, which directly works with the US, has also come in
to Somalia uninvited just as the Americans do when carrying out an
invasion. Each player wants a cake of the success in Somalia.
The
London conference and the Turkish efforts are direct foreign power
pressure to scuttle possibility of geopolitical power massing by Kenya
under Kibaki regime. The strategy deployed by KDF has managed to bring
uniquely desired results. Giving an African country, such credentials
would demean the role of these global players as pacesetters in global
security and peace efforts.
In London, the British promised
military and economic aid in return for oil besides proposing British
Oil (BP) as a choice strategic partner in the program. The Turkish
effort was a direct involvement of the US whose oil explorers still have
licenses for acreage in Somali oil farms. This triangular complex
explains the role of espionage, sabotage, and conspiracy to reduce the
importance of KDF success and Kenya’s overall importance and influence
in the peace process.
Kenya’s military success in Somalia dwarfs
UN role and shames previous incursions including the American Black Hawk
Down operation, The Ethiopian Military Operation, and The Ugandan half
decade barren effort in Mogadishu. Nevertheless, regardless of the
effort to stymie KDF/Kenya achievements and level of influence in
Somalia, numerous Somali MPs making it even more difficult to dislodge
that particular fact back Kenya.


By taking Kismayo, this ultimate
geopolitical muscle prize will shape the future of African security
programs and roles. If KDF takes Kismayo and Kibaki’s administration
plays the central role of establishing a government in Somalia, it will
be impossible to rubout Kenya’s large image as a powerful and
influential military and peace broker-power. With such a name, Kenya can
control regional politics, and shape the future of the regions
geopolitics, economic blueprints, and military programs

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  mogen on Tue Jun 05 2012, 15:26

Journey to Afmadow

Part 1: http://youtu.be/SmOJPUDAz-U
Part 2: http://youtu.be/NKnxw6-n9qw

After watching the above video clips I see a determined force that isn't about to be deterred from its onward match to the target port city. Senate money or nothing. The boys have come so far and accomplished so much in such a short time that its baffling that some are now attempting to lay obstacles in the way of KDF troops. Question is: Do the naysayers and obstructionists think that KDF is made up of cowards who are led by fools?

Whatever the case, the enemy knows what is coming as the story below confirms. And, I think the story is credible:

SOMALIA: Al Shabaab officials begin to flee from Kismayo

Kismayo (RBC) Senior Al Shabaab leaders in Jubba region begun to flee from Kismayo town after the government forces with the backing of Kenyan troops and local militia approached the strategic town of Kismayo, sources told RBC Radio. Reliable sources in the region confirmed that Sheikh Mukhtar Robow abu Mansur who was Al Shabaab’s former spokesperson, Ibrahim Haji Me’ad (better known Ibrahim Afghan) who is Al Shabaab’s deputy commander and Sheikh Hassan Yacqub, the commander of Kismayo were among the officials departed from Kismayo.

The Kenyan army- under African Union and Somali government forces have captured the town of Afmadow, the second largest town in the south and only 115km (71 miles) from Kismayo. Kismayo is still a strategic militant base in the south of the country and important Al-Shabaab’s headquarters.

Officials of Somalia National Security Agency in Mogadishu have earlier said that they obtained credible information claiming that families of some of Al Shabaab’s senior leaders moved to Bur’o town in the breakaway region of Somaliland and some parts of the Galmudug region in the central of the country.

The security officials mentioned also that after taking over Afgoye town in the Lower Shabelle most of Al Shabaab’s foreign fighters have fled to Merka town and some have crossed into Yemen through the red sea between Somalia and Yemen....

Read more at: Al Shabaab officials begin to flee from Kismayo


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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Spartan on Tue Jun 05 2012, 16:16

countersniper wrote:THIS IS NOT GOOD.they can o to hell.

“The Committee directs the Secretary of State to take steps to ensure
that no United States training, equipment, or other assistance is
provided to any Kenyan military or police personnel who have been
credibly alleged to have violated human rights at: Mount Elgon and North
Eastern Kenya,” says part of the report.

So, take it easy, it's just a report with recommendations. And its targeted against individuals, not the country. We've been the subject of worse reports. The SNA 'analysis', don't even get me started.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Al Bashir on Tue Jun 05 2012, 18:55

[quote="countersniper"]THIS IS NOT GOOD.they can o to hell.

i think the republican lead senate dislike for Obama is going too far
we can get Chinese or Russian weapons and training...
HRW watch my ass.?
these NGOS writing fake reports to justify funding must be kicked out of Kenya.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000059321&story_title=US-Senate:-Stop-military-funding-to-Kenya-
[\quote]

A separate and joint State dept-senate hearing has curtailed SoCom's assistance and training to KDF's special forces because such trainings may not necessarily be in line with the state dept. "local" foreign policy goals. Any such future trainings will have to go through the ambassador. Baks must have ruffled sammy's feathers!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/05/world/special-ops-leader-seeks-new-authority-and-is-denied.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Spartan on Tue Jun 05 2012, 19:26

Al Bashir wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/05/world/special-ops-leader-seeks-new-authority-and-is-denied.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

Bro Al Bashir, very informative article. Whenever you get so much attention from the West, 'know they want smthin from ya', as a Black man from the South of the US would say. I was usually perplexed by the West-bashing within these pages, yet over here we think brand Ke got the lion's share of the West's attention, training and military equipment.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  jasiri on Tue Jun 05 2012, 21:02

I will pass the first question of balozi to a one Mr.Jasiri to answer and then I will conclude the final answers. i.e what are those red flags Balozi saw on those Jets
Those "Red Ribbons" as you call them sir, are protective covers used to shield/secure sensitive parts or mechanical/moving parts. Typically, they are used to cover pitot tubes, engine vents, Landing gear ground locks, missile seeker heads e.t.c. They shield this parts from elements, nature(insects e.g in the case of pitot tubes) or just 'harmless' human curiosity. I'm guessing the fighter looked something like this one below right?

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  areba on Tue Jun 05 2012, 23:58

countersniper wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cTFqOCJhhA
Haiya! are those chinooks on 1.12 ? they ama baby chinooks?

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  areba on Wed Jun 06 2012, 00:18

areba wrote:
countersniper wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cTFqOCJhhA
Haiya! are those chinooks on 1.12 ? they ama baby chinooks?
actually the baby chinook is a CH-46 Sea Knight, interesting camo though. @ON junk planes eeeh? Damn! watu wako na siri!

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Risasi on Wed Jun 06 2012, 00:27

Balozi,s questions have been answered above more or less, i will post for Clarification and put the answers in order.
@jasiri got it right young man. that’s what they are meant for on civilian aircrafts
I would prefer the professional term rather than "Red Ribbons"

Q.1
Remove before flight safety streamers:
On fighter aircraft it’s as you said plus; The F-5 were defiantly armed and those red flags are attached to safety pins that secure weapon onboard from accidentally triggering them and are remove just before take off.
http://www.levronsales.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=460
These covers/flags are removed before flight and are on the preflight checklist sio Jasiri?

Q.2
I don’t the exact nature of the mission but for sure the jets from Msa reached the Somalia air space (southern sector) well under 45min (90min round trip) leaving 2hr: 30min unaccounted for and actual mission.
the timings and duration, rules out a Marathon bomb raid as 2.5 hrs puts the jets well over the farthest KDF controlled Som sector the Northern sector.
This leaves two possible speculations.
1. ground troop support sortie an “Alpha Charlie” (A.C /air cover).
2. Standby for special ops. Similar to an Alpha Charlie with an extra slicing for precision.

In both sorties the said jets fly in the Som air space and enter in a standby circuit parallel to the area of operation. Without compromising detail it most likely the jets were in a 30min oval circuit position at less than10mins striking speed parallel and behind the desire point of assistance.
If we take Kismayo as an example the jet will be at least 10min from the town i.e 75km away flying in a 30min oval circuit parallel to the coastal line at sea waiting to be radioed in as an operation goes on. The distance is virtual for the proximity to the ops and to avoid tipping of the enemy that aircrafts are within the vicinity esp. if they get there before the ground offensive starts.

In balozi info.the aircraft were possibly on a 2.5hr standby along an operation.

A good example is a national day parades. During the rehearsal the plane don’t go back and forth to LAB when the parade is constantly repeated for perfection but stay in a nearby circuit fly back when radio in by a ground crew for a precision timing. The same tactics are used for precision time oriented missions

In the Jilib raids (relevant to the second sortie) , a key valued target had to be nab between his campaign rally grounds and his safe heaven, a 15min drive nearby IDP camp. Ground intel. Followed the target, radio in the jets which were position on a nearby standby circuit and the tigers pounced on him just before he entered his safe zone.

Details on Jilib
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKdYKQeWrWA

So as ON said on the UG. Jets will get out fuel if they are in for a standby sortie unless they are planning a hit and run attack.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Risasi on Wed Jun 06 2012, 01:45

@ Observer Personally I feel sheriffs days are numbered. Ismail too has sense the wind direction and is playing his boss while leaning closely to the ground events. Times will change and every one wants to be at the right place at the right time…..ON will devalgue more on Geo politics. Its not my cup of tea am not good at it...,

but unaona sasa when you revisit the afmadow clips , the former District commission ousted by the A.S was on standby before the incursion and was reinstated immediately after. The chap as the former administrator clearly knows who to kick out of town or locked up immediately after the incursion. And as we plagued we will provide him with the require security apparatus to do that. So those are the guys that sometimes hold up the ops. We need to talk and assess them to determine that they are on our side and not playing both fields. That needs time. The same goes for regional V.I.P and commercial lords. Gives the info on cash flow and trading bureaucracy and be part the new family or stay with it and die with the A.S. the same applies for the regional players including self formed vigilante.

its simple as;
You are with us or against us.
No grey areas.

Currently we need time for the Kismayo before an incursion. we need the Kismayo residents to value, build trust with KDF and to envy the model of administration set in the sister town of Afmadow.
Field training session conducted regularly base for the New flip over militias to avoid Rambo like assault and minimize casualties. The Militias including TGF need to speak the basic language of modern warfare.
That gives us the August dead line.

P/S don,t forget Hague prosecutors are keenly watching. We don’t want our field commander to end up as Charles Taylor or Milosevic cellmates.
Mambo mabaya siku hizi baba.utakula maharagwe Hague ukicheza.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  cylon on Wed Jun 06 2012, 05:10

Today i was watching that movie BlackHawk Down and i noticed that Amisom had borrowed tactics from the American/Un forces from there incursion in Mogadishu a decade earlier which was capture the airport, then Bakara Market(didnt happen because of the density of civilians living there), Then the Stadium Obviously these led to a massive loss of life to the Amisom forces ''RIP TO THE Fallen". Because Alshabab had already learned a thing or two from the veterans who fought against the Americans/Un forces and emulated those results onto Amisom forces with several planned ambushes coordinated attacks and for many months this occurred while the slow painstaking control of the crazy town continued when Brute Forces was finally added to the equation and UPDF/Burundi forces freed Mogadishu from the clutches of AS. Now many international Agencies/governments will be will watching KDF/SNA/Ras Kamboni brigade take kismayo from AS and many of course want us to fail but that ain't gonna happen since our military planners got a surprise for AS, And also i saw a few strategies KDF deployed in the field one is the Bellum se ispsum alet(A war that will feed itself), second was the incentive mandate which won the hearts and mind of the Somali people and actually made AS members with families defect after hearing the incentives KDF was offering, Persisting strategy, Punishment, Attrition Warfare,and many others that have been formulated by KDF military planners. The strategies i see playing out in Chai will probably be Siege where the city will be surrounding by KDF and its allies and force the AS into a surrender, Second will be Shape,Clear, Hold and Build, Heavy Force, etc... while the AS main strategy of holding Kismayo will be the Fabian Strategy where they would try and have indirect battles and avoiding all contact with KDF/its allies to minimize casualties.. well that's my 2 cents.


Risasi eh or OleNakeri is inside the MD500 spacious because that thing looks cramping to me. Also does KDF plan to acquire anymore of the Minibirds??

Hokum Mil-28 deployed in the field yet we haven't heard from u in a while


And like i stated before Kismayo fall would come days after the President's Madraka day speech which was confirmed by the Afamrdow incursion... The Galana and Tana must be getting ready???


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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  mogen on Wed Jun 06 2012, 05:32

Risasi wrote:Currently we need time for the Kismayo before an incursion...

@Bulletman and @Cylon: I hear that the march on Kismayo is already on and that rifts within A.S. have intensified. And methinks, the studious absence or silence of uniforms here [save for a technical appearance now and then] tells A lot and may even mean that the uniforms are busy marching via land, air and sea.

Kismayo tense as allied forces advance
[TFG/KDF seize Biibi after A.S. flee

Biibi which is on the Afmadow-Kismayo Road [45km from Afmadow and 75km from Kismayo] is reported to have been seized by KDF, TFG & allies yesterday. Ras Kamboni militia spokesman reportedly confirmed the seizure and said that the military plan to take Kismayo is complete

More details here: http://somaliareport.com/index.php/post/3422/Kismayo_Tense_as_Allied_Forces_Advance_

and here:

Somali forces and allies close in on al-Shabaab in Kismayo
By Adnan Hussein in Mogadishu
June 05, 2012
Somali Transitional Federal Government (TFG) forces, supported by Kenyan troops, have started a large-scale operation advancing towards the coastal city of Kismayo, capital of the Lower Juba region, in southern Somalia...

Travellers along the road that connects Afmadow with Kismayo told Sabahi that Somali and Kenyan military reinforcements have been spotted advancing towards the town of Bulo Haji, west of Kismayo...

Unconfirmed media reports say al-Shabaab leaders are starting to flee Kismayo as Somali and allied troops advance. Several al-Shabaab commanders were seen leaving the city, Somalia's Radio RBC reported on Tuesday (June 5th).

http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/features/2012/06/05/feature-01

And Strategic Intelligence Briefs reports that:

KDF Marching to Kismayo, Al-Shabaab Fleeing to Jiliib, Intelligence Report
June 5 | Posted by David Goldman | Intelligence News, Military Intelligence
Intelligence reports confirm that the Kenya defense forces and the Somali National Army backed by the Ras Kamboni militia have captured the town of Biibe, 45 kilometers from Afmadow and 75 kilometers to Kismayo.
The information confirms a strategy used in Kismayo with lethal force used against the militia Al-Shabaab causing the militants heavy causalities forcing them to retreat.

Biibe was captured between 2pm and 4pm Somali time.

Currently KDF and SNA are planning a forward march to Kismayo using aerial cover and massive ground force besides pockets of highly well trained units drawn from the elite commando Ranger unit of the KDF.

Kismayo Falling
Intelligence from Kismayo informs of a shaky situation with Al-Shabaab troops leaving strategic positions in battle wagons and their technical’s. KDF has moved within range of Kismayo, about 75-50 kilometers.

KDF is also in Buale district of lower Juba creating another offensive front against the Al-Qaeda allied Al-Shabaab.
The intelligence confirms different scenarios with top commanders opting out while units of fighters leave the port city for Jiliib beaches which have been easy prey for KDF airforce.

Our analysis shows Kismayo is falling even before KDF launches a naval, land and air assault on the militants offensive positions. There has been a series of events that confirm a sense of defeat by the militants.
Jiliib has bases which were targets for KDF air force jets and most of these battle-wagons are heading there; reports confirm up to 10 machine gun mounted battle wagons leaving Kismayo for Jiliib beaches.


Source: Strategic Intelligence Briefs

Major EChirchir apparently confirmed the capture of Biibi - to control access routes

“Our soldiers have taken control of all routes leading to and from Afmadow. They are now in a small town called Bibi, which is about 70 kilometres from Kismayu,” said Major Chirchir.
http://kenya411.com/kenyan-forces-seize-key-town-from-shabaab/

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Analyst on Thu Jun 07 2012, 00:01

Any idea what this article means?

http://www.kulmiyenews.com/?nid=7498?

My translator application says its a story about a crash in Bari region.


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US cutting military aid?

Post  MOOZALENDO on Thu Jun 07 2012, 01:53

Spartan wrote:
Al Bashir wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/05/world/special-ops-leader-seeks-new-authority-and-is-denied.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

Bro Al Bashir, very informative article. Whenever you get so much attention from the West, 'know they want smthin from ya', as a Black man from the South of the US would say. I was usually perplexed by the West-bashing within these pages, yet over here we think brand Ke got the lion's share of the West's attention, training and military equipment.

Why do countries give Aid? Is it because they are benevolent, or so kind-hearted that they do it for the love of humanity? NO WAY! Aid is used to retain political leverage. These threats from the US should be understood as "demands within that leverage equation"...i.e., somebody has said, rattle the client so that he behaves appropriately. If actually the US whittles down whatever military aid it gives to .ke, (which admittedly isn't much say in comparison to the bns given to the middle eastern countries) it will emascurate its influence in Kenya and I wonder if that is the direction they would like to take. I think Kenyans should just stay cool and watch how this plays out, and then make rational, Kenya-centric strategic decisions. Perhaps this is all part of the new economic and geopolitical realities we have to tackle. Finally, any opportunity to be weaned of foreign Aid dependence is a good opportunity not to miss. Meanwhile, go Kismayo, go.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  mogen on Thu Jun 07 2012, 02:55

Analyst wrote:Any idea what this article means?

http://www.kulmiyenews.com/?nid=7498?

My translator application says its a story about a crash in Bari region.


@Analyst
Car accident. Same story here: http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Somalia_27/Somalia_Accident_in_Bari_region_kills_4.shtml

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Analyst on Thu Jun 07 2012, 10:32

mogen wrote:
Analyst wrote:Any idea what this article means?

http://www.kulmiyenews.com/?nid=7498?

My translator application says its a story about a crash in Bari region.


@Analyst
Car accident. Same story here: http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Somalia_27/Somalia_Accident_in_Bari_region_kills_4.shtml
[quote]

Thanks Mogen

The ugly monster in the sky -pictured on the article is was what interested me...i thought it was related to the story.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  mogen on Thu Jun 07 2012, 10:36

[quote="Analyst"]
mogen wrote:
Analyst wrote:Any idea what this article means?

http://www.kulmiyenews.com/?nid=7498?

My translator application says its a story about a crash in Bari region.


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Car accident. Same story here: http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Somalia_27/Somalia_Accident_in_Bari_region_kills_4.shtml


Thanks Mogen

The ugly monster in the sky -pictured on the article is was what interested me...i thought it was related to the story.

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At first I also thought it was a plane. That's why I mentioned 'Car...'


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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  mogen on Thu Jun 07 2012, 14:59

Has Al Shabaab imploded, already?

Allied troops moving South from Afmadow have taken Biibi (70km from Kismayu), escape route through Jiliib is possibly being sealed by allied troops and Buale to the south is about to be secured. Top A.S. fled Kismayu before the noose tightened. Escape routes quickly disappearing soon they will be left with option of escaping by sea. A dangerous route too.

Best option is surrender and join the rest of peace-loving Somalis. Ama?

http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/features/2012/06/05/feature-01

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  jasiri on Thu Jun 07 2012, 19:33

areba, those are CH-46 sea knights based out of U.S.S Austin for the Edged Mallet '02 exercise with the U.S Marine Corp. Sijui what happened, are they still on these exercises? ALMOST SIMILAR PIC BELOW

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  areba on Thu Jun 07 2012, 20:30

question is, are they a viable "lift" option?

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  livefire on Thu Jun 07 2012, 22:46

Something is happening and it has everything to do with our prized fugitive assett in somalia.....why would the US want to offer anybody 30 mil US $ for any info that would lead to the capture of alshabaab leader whilst KDF are still in operation? the yankees are overtly playing nasty, they should have atleast waited for Kismayu to fall before starting this selfish campaigns. Am certain all KDF/TFG/Raskamboni elements know the man to go for in Kismayu besides liberation efforts.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  cylon on Thu Jun 07 2012, 22:57

livefire wrote:Something is happening and it has everything to do with our prized fugitive assett in somalia.....why would the US want to offer anybody 30 mil US $ for any info that would lead to the capture of alshabaab leader whilst KDF are still in operation? the yankees are overtly playing nasty, they should have atleast waited for Kismayu to fall before starting this selfish campaigns. Am certain all KDF/TFG/Raskamboni elements know the man to go for in Kismayu besides liberation efforts.

sheikh moktar ali zubeyr(Ahmed Godane) could he be the man the usa is looking for because i was given conflicting reports that he could be living either in lamu or in Eastleigh and his deputies are up down the coastal towns of kenya and probably a few policemen on his payroll to warn him of any operations against him

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  countersniper on Thu Jun 07 2012, 23:35

cylon wrote:
livefire wrote:Something is happening and it has everything to do with our prized fugitive assett in somalia.....why would the US want to offer anybody 30 mil US $ for any info that would lead to the capture of alshabaab leader whilst KDF are still in operation? the yankees are overtly playing nasty, they should have atleast waited for Kismayu to fall before starting this selfish campaigns. Am certain all KDF/TFG/Raskamboni elements know the man to go for in Kismayu besides liberation efforts.

sheikh moktar ali zubeyr(Ahmed Godane) could he be the man the usa is looking for because i was given conflicting reports that he could be living either in lamu or in Eastleigh and his deputies are up down the coastal towns of kenya and probably a few policemen on his payroll to warn him of any operations against him

if these guys are in Kenya...ALL WE NEED TO DO IS POST THEIR PICTURES IN ALL THE LEADING DAILIES IN KENYA AND HEADLINE NEWS BULLET INS ON ALL THE MAIN TV NEWS MEDIA WITH THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AMERICAN REWARDS MONEY AT STAKE for next thirty days.
then we see where they will hide.on the other hand what happens if KDF capture or kill them? kuna reward pia?

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  mogen on Fri Jun 08 2012, 01:54

cylon wrote:
livefire wrote:Something is happening and it has everything to do with our prized fugitive assett in somalia.....why would the US want to offer anybody 30 mil US $ for any info that would lead to the capture of alshabaab leader whilst KDF are still in operation? the yankees are overtly playing nasty, they should have atleast waited for Kismayu to fall before starting this selfish campaigns. Am certain all KDF/TFG/Raskamboni elements know the man to go for in Kismayu besides liberation efforts.

sheikh moktar ali zubeyr(Ahmed Godane) could he be the man the usa is looking for because i was given conflicting reports that he could be living either in lamu or in Eastleigh and his deputies are up down the coastal towns of kenya and probably a few policemen on his payroll to warn him of any operations against him

@Cylon
The offer is $7 million and here is the list of the wanted men:

Key al-Shabaab Leaders - offer Up to $7 Million - http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/
Rewards for Justice is offering rewards for information leading to the location of seven leaders of al-Shabaab, a Somalia-based Foreign Terrorist Organization affiliated with al-Qaida:
1.Ahmed Abdi Aw-Mohamed , (aka Ahmed Godane)
2.Mukhtar Robow (aka Abu Mansur)
3.Ibrahim Haji Jama (aka Ibrahim Afghan),
4.Fuad Mohamed Khalaf (aka Shongole)
5.Bashir Mohamed Mahamoud,
6.Zakariya Ismail Ahmed Hersi, and
7.Abdullahi Yare .

Robow is one of those who fled Kismayu the other day. Three of the others are rumoured to be in Kenya, one holed up Kismayu and others scattered elsewhere in Somalia and Yemen


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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  mogen on Fri Jun 08 2012, 02:26

Thursday 7 June 2012 20:30
Fighter jets Bomb Al shabab-held towns in southern Somalia

KISMAYO, Somalia (Keydmedia) - Suspected Kenyan fighter jets have bombed on several Islamist militant controlled towns in southern war-ravaged Horn of Africa Somalia on Thursday, causing unidentified casualties,

Sources said the jets hit missiles on Islamist military camps in Buullo-Hajji Township controlled by Al shabab fighters early on Thursday with some reports there were heavy loss upon the rebels.

Locals confirmed to Keydmedia Somali service that there were no any civilian casualties so far as a result of the bombardment against Al shabab fighters...

Source: http://www.keydmedia.net/en/news/article/fighter_jets_bomb_on_al_shabab-held_towns_in_southern_somalia

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Al Bashir on Fri Jun 08 2012, 03:44

livefire wrote:Something is happening and it has everything to do with our prized fugitive assett in somalia.....why would the US want to offer anybody 30 mil US $ for any info that would lead to the capture of alshabaab leader whilst KDF are still in operation? the yankees are overtly playing nasty, they should have atleast waited for Kismayu to fall before starting this selfish campaigns. Am certain all KDF/TFG/Raskamboni elements know the man to go for in Kismayu besides liberation efforts.

$30M is peanuts compared to what sammy has invested in Som. over the last decade or so. He is not about to sit back and watch his investment come to naught just when the end is in sight. The ultimate prize has nothing to do with fugitives but oil.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  cylon on Fri Jun 08 2012, 03:53

countersniper wrote:
cylon wrote:
livefire wrote:Something is happening and it has everything to do with our prized fugitive assett in somalia.....why would the US want to offer anybody 30 mil US $ for any info that would lead to the capture of alshabaab leader whilst KDF are still in operation? the yankees are overtly playing nasty, they should have atleast waited for Kismayu to fall before starting this selfish campaigns. Am certain all KDF/TFG/Raskamboni elements know the man to go for in Kismayu besides liberation efforts.

sheikh moktar ali zubeyr(Ahmed Godane) could he be the man the usa is looking for because i was given conflicting reports that he could be living either in lamu or in Eastleigh and his deputies are up down the coastal towns of kenya and probably a few policemen on his payroll to warn him of any operations against him

if these guys are in Kenya...ALL WE NEED TO DO IS POST THEIR PICTURES IN ALL THE LEADING DAILIES IN KENYA AND HEADLINE NEWS BULLET INS ON ALL THE MAIN TV NEWS MEDIA WITH THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AMERICAN REWARDS MONEY AT STAKE for next thirty days.
then we see where they will hide.on the other hand what happens if KDF capture or kill them? kuna reward pia?

But that will make them flee to the lethargic Tanzania where we would lose trace of them..GSU should deploy a spy into Eastleigh and lamu and let the mole get involved into the terrorist action plans blasting his name in the media will spook him and he also has policemen in his payroll etc I will contact that state department place mt information isnt that solid yet but a clue is a clue

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  mogen on Fri Jun 08 2012, 09:37

The Journey to Afmadow

Over 100 vehicles long. What a sight!



I hear they had only a brief stopover in Afmadow and then proceeded. How close are they now from Kismayo?

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