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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  mogen on Tue Oct 23 2012, 11:08

areba wrote:
mogen wrote:

They are presently dealing with their equivalent of our MRC menace

Ow, Is that all there is? and is there a corellation between the seccessionist island and the attacks and burning of churches in the wake of dessecration of the bible by a child?

Methinks, there is a connection.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Guest on Tue Oct 23 2012, 12:21

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/4+UPDF+soldiers+killed+in+Somalia/-/688334/1539584/-/2cs12y/-/index.html

Just saw this link in a ugandan newspaper.pole to our UG brothers for losing four soldiers

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Olekoima on Tue Oct 23 2012, 17:59

mogen wrote:
areba wrote:Anyone know whats happening down in TZ? Is it a case of social media exxagerations or is there some real threat of religious based extremism cropping up?

They are presently dealing with their equivalent of our MRC menace

Is someone out to destabilize our peaceful East Africa?

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Olekoima on Tue Oct 23 2012, 18:01

mchoraji wrote:http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/4+UPDF+soldiers+killed+in+Somalia/-/688334/1539584/-/2cs12y/-/index.html

Just saw this link in a ugandan newspaper.pole to our UG brothers for losing four soldiers

Oh, pole sana. Al-Shabaab must be pushed very far and mop up operations done at all times.

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Ugand loss

Post  Analyst on Tue Oct 23 2012, 23:41


About Uganda losing soldiers........it is sad since much of the intelligence about their losses remains highly classified.

Intel shows a very significant number of UPDF have died between 2011 and 2012 and no official report documents these deaths.

UN dept for Somalia verifies that UPDF are not up to task and heavily rely on CIA and American private security firms to launch ops in Mogadishu and Sector II.

This is what makes their progress slow and their gains less strategic in military-political value

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  aggressor one on Wed Oct 24 2012, 09:31

Analyst wrote:
About Uganda losing soldiers........it is sad since much of the intelligence about their losses remains highly classified.

Intel shows a very significant number of UPDF have died between 2011 and 2012 and no official report documents these deaths.

UN dept for Somalia verifies that UPDF are not up to task and heavily rely on CIA and American private security firms to launch ops in Mogadishu and Sector II.

This is what makes their progress slow and their gains less strategic in military-political value

Analyst, you are at it again!!!!. So the gains of UPDF are less strategic in value? really? So you want to make everybody on this forum believe that Kismayu is more strategic to the world than Mogadishu? Of all the towns captured by KDF, save for Kismayu, which other town is bigger than Marka and Balad in Sector II? The other day UPDF captured Baaldogle airport, which has got the longest run way in Somalia-so can you claim that this position is not strategic?

Do you know that it is because of UPDF`s actions in sector 1 that Somalia finally had an election in Mogadishu-which was heavily overseen by Ugandan soldiers and policemen? So what 'less political value' are you talking about?

And lastly, there is one thing that you will never change in the history of Somalia and this is the fact that while the entire world looked the other way, Ugandan soldiers went in and now Somalia is surely turning into a different story. Also note that countries like Kenya only came in after Uganda showed them that the Somali problem can be solved by Africans. Remember, Mogadishu fell before KDF joined!

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  HokumA on Wed Oct 24 2012, 09:53

Analyst wrote:
About Uganda losing soldiers........it is sad since much of the intelligence about their losses remains highly classified.

Intel shows a very significant number of UPDF have died between 2011 and 2012 and no official report documents these deaths.

UN dept for Somalia verifies that UPDF are not up to task and heavily rely on CIA and American private security firms to launch ops in Mogadishu and Sector II.

This is what makes their progress slow and their gains less strategic in military-political value

I like your maneuver, restricting your offence to areas close to home avoiding the dreaded logistical and reinforcement nightmare.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  The Blue on Wed Oct 24 2012, 09:55

aggressor one wrote:
Analyst wrote:
About Uganda losing soldiers........it is sad since much of the intelligence about their losses remains highly classified.

Intel shows a very significant number of UPDF have died between 2011 and 2012 and no official report documents these deaths.

UN dept for Somalia verifies that UPDF are not up to task and heavily rely on CIA and American private security firms to launch ops in Mogadishu and Sector II.

This is what makes their progress slow and their gains less strategic in military-political value

Analyst, you are at it again!!!!. So the gains of UPDF are less strategic in value? really? So you want to make everybody on this forum believe that Kismayu is more strategic to the world than Mogadishu? Of all the towns captured by KDF, save for Kismayu, which other town is bigger than Marka and Balad in Sector II? The other day UPDF captured Baaldogle airport, which has got the longest run way in Somalia-so can you claim that this position is not strategic?

Do you know that it is because of UPDF`s actions in sector 1 that Somalia finally had an election in Mogadishu-which was heavily overseen by Ugandan soldiers and policemen? So what 'less political value' are you talking about?

And lastly, there is one thing that you will never change in the history of Somalia and this is the fact that while the entire world looked the other way, Ugandan soldiers went in and now Somalia is surely turning into a different story. Also note that countries like Kenya only came in after Uganda showed them that the Somali problem can be solved by Africans. Remember, Mogadishu fell before KDF joined!



Allow me to wade into this.

The contribution of UPDF in routing out Al kebab and the sacrifice drenched in their blood cannot now be looked in the mouth and be pronounced to be missing a tooth here and there. UPDF jumped into the murk of crazy town and dished it out the kebabs harder than they received it from the skinnies…the kebabs dint leave crazy town because UPDF begged them. They left because UPDF kicked them in the balls, (Am not sure they will be able to service their virgins:cheers:…pun intended).

Am Kenyan to the core but when I see a shemeji get down so nice in the evening dance party, I am not stingy with saying “those are wonderful moves shemeji UPDF.”

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Spartan on Wed Oct 24 2012, 10:35

aggressor one wrote:
Analyst wrote:
About Uganda losing soldiers........it is sad since much of the intelligence about their losses remains highly classified.

Intel shows a very significant number of UPDF have died between 2011 and 2012 and no official report documents these deaths.

UN dept for Somalia verifies that UPDF are not up to task and heavily rely on CIA and American private security firms to launch ops in Mogadishu and Sector II.

This is what makes their progress slow and their gains less strategic in military-political value

Analyst, you are at it again!!!!. So the gains of UPDF are less strategic in value? really? So you want to make everybody on this forum believe that Kismayu is more strategic to the world than Mogadishu? Of all the towns captured by KDF, save for Kismayu, which other town is bigger than Marka and Balad in Sector II? The other day UPDF captured Baaldogle airport, which has got the longest run way in Somalia-so can you claim that this position is not strategic?

Do you know that it is because of UPDF`s actions in sector 1 that Somalia finally had an election in Mogadishu-which was heavily overseen by Ugandan soldiers and policemen? So what 'less political value' are you talking about?

And lastly, there is one thing that you will never change in the history of Somalia and this is the fact that while the entire world looked the other way, Ugandan soldiers went in and now Somalia is surely turning into a different story. Also note that countries like Kenya only came in after Uganda showed them that the Somali problem can be solved by Africans. Remember, Mogadishu fell before KDF joined!

I don't take 'Analyst' seriously, and I can tell few on this forum do. He thinks this thing is a Kenya versus the whole world affair or that KDF has a point to prove to people. He's incapable of seeing the big picture. Gloating over dead brothers who died trying to make East Africa a better place doesn't make you look very big or better than them.

That said, a lot of figures have been thrown around regarding the number of UGABAG deaths in Somalia. My own count from various accounts is around 81 since 2007, which is a very respectable figure compared with NATO casualties in Afghanistan since 2007. Consider also that UGABAG 1 landed to a barrage of mortar fire and had to fight for each block and street. It is irresponsible and contemptible to allude to heavy losses for UPDF without providing evidence. This AMISOM article is 98% correct when it comes to losses for every participating battle group, only the latest figures are missing.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Olekoima on Wed Oct 24 2012, 11:39

Some people still don't understand that this is not about competition. I wonder why we keep dwelling on comparissons. These are not helpful.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Interloper on Wed Oct 24 2012, 13:57

Olekoima wrote:Some people still don't understand that this is not about competition. I wonder why we keep dwelling on comparissons. These are not helpful.

Well said @Olekoima.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  mogen on Wed Oct 24 2012, 15:11

Spartan wrote:
aggressor one wrote:
Analyst wrote:
About Uganda losing soldiers........it is sad since much of the intelligence about their losses remains highly classified.

Intel shows a very significant number of UPDF have died between 2011 and 2012 and no official report documents these deaths.

UN dept for Somalia verifies that UPDF are not up to task and heavily rely on CIA and American private security firms to launch ops in Mogadishu and Sector II.

This is what makes their progress slow and their gains less strategic in military-political value

Analyst, you are at it again!!!!. So the gains of UPDF are less strategic in value? really? So you want to make everybody on this forum believe that Kismayu is more strategic to the world than Mogadishu? Of all the towns captured by KDF, save for Kismayu, which other town is bigger than Marka and Balad in Sector II? The other day UPDF captured Baaldogle airport, which has got the longest run way in Somalia-so can you claim that this position is not strategic?

Do you know that it is because of UPDF`s actions in sector 1 that Somalia finally had an election in Mogadishu-which was heavily overseen by Ugandan soldiers and policemen? So what 'less political value' are you talking about?

And lastly, there is one thing that you will never change in the history of Somalia and this is the fact that while the entire world looked the other way, Ugandan soldiers went in and now Somalia is surely turning into a different story. Also note that countries like Kenya only came in after Uganda showed them that the Somali problem can be solved by Africans. Remember, Mogadishu fell before KDF joined!

I don't take 'Analyst' seriously, and I can tell few on this forum do. He thinks this thing is a Kenya versus the whole world affair or that KDF has a point to prove to people. He's incapable of seeing the big picture. Gloating over dead brothers who died trying to make East Africa a better place doesn't make you look very big or better than them.

That said, a lot of figures have been thrown around regarding the number of UGABAG deaths in Somalia. My own count from various accounts is around 81 since 2007, which is a very respectable figure compared with NATO casualties in Afghanistan since 2007. Consider also that UGABAG 1 landed to a barrage of mortar fire and had to fight for each block and street. It is irresponsible and contemptible to allude to heavy losses for UPDF without providing evidence. This AMISOM article is 98% correct when it comes to losses for every participating battle group, only the latest figures are missing.

@Spartan
UPDF and Burundian soldiers in Somalia have done East Africa proud. indeed, many people, even in our region, had given up on Crazy Town but not those galant sons of the soil. thanks to their sacrifice see what people are enjoying in crazy town now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm1H0C3Tbco&feature=player_embedded

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KENYA NAVY SOMALIA

Post  Neutral Ground on Wed Oct 24 2012, 17:44

Its being reported elements of Kenya Navy are being incorporated into Amisom
thus suggesting mission will be extended.If only TZ would throw in a few JWTZ and we have a happy
family reunion in Somalia of course with UN approval.Just a thought.

@Olekoima Sir,am with you, if only We refrained from taking pot shots at UPDF.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  areba on Wed Oct 24 2012, 17:48

Neutral Ground wrote:
@Olekoima Sir,am with you, if only We refrained from taking pot shots at UPDF.

Personally I choose to look at authors of such comments and make direct assumptions about their age, level of education and social conditioning.... especially the absolute former...

live and let live.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  areba on Wed Oct 24 2012, 18:33

Sudan Claims IAF are responsible for the explosions in their ammunitions warehouse in khartoum... IAF says "No comment".


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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  kimiti on Wed Oct 24 2012, 22:32

areba wrote:
Neutral Ground wrote:
@Olekoima Sir,am with you, if only We refrained from taking pot shots at UPDF.

Personally I choose to look at authors of such comments and make direct assumptions about their age, level of education and social conditioning.... especially the absolute former...

live and let live.

Am with you on that. really retrogressive bordering on retarded (poleni for the last pun though intended).
It should stop.

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AMISOM War Dead

Post  Guest on Wed Oct 24 2012, 22:55

I have not one doubt in my mind that no one on this forum has expressed themselves with intentions to dishonor the priceless sacrifice of AMISOM.

Despite the impressions Media Reports have created in our Civilian Populations, AMISOM's War in Zoomaliya just like any War between Armed Elements has been as life-and-death reality as any can possibly get. Each combatant with the means and intentions to visit deadly force on the opponent with an objective to sudden termination of their opponents existence. And whoever is left standing has two over-powering emotions at the conclusion of mortal combat - gratitude to be alive, and inestimable respect for his fallen opponent. Were it not for religious strictures s that forbade AMISOM to inter the multitude of Alshabaab dead, normal and indiscriminate disposal of battlefield dead would have also applied in AMISOM Theater. Soldiers do NOT wage War with the War-dead regardless of whose they are. And on this forum we should not.

It only matters that the people of Burundi, of Uganda, of Kenya have willingly given their life-blood for Zoomaliya who the whole world abandoned and forgot. It matters NOT one damn bit how much lifeblood coz even a drop of it is priceless by all counts. Regardless of the results.

If post-theater analysis of AMISOM/OLN is going to be this Comparative ( who between the AMISOM Forces was more proficient) I cannot imagine much value being realized.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Fabrizio on Thu Oct 25 2012, 04:12

Analyst wrote:
About Uganda losing soldiers........it is sad since much of the intelligence about their losses remains highly classified.

Intel shows a very significant number of UPDF have died between 2011 and 2012 and no official report documents these deaths.

UN dept for Somalia verifies that UPDF are not up to task and heavily rely on CIA and American private security firms to launch ops in Mogadishu and Sector II.

This is what makes their progress slow and their gains less strategic in military-political value
Analyst,

Why don't you provide some backup information. Some links, source of intel etc could go a long way. Could you also put it on the UPDF thread instead of KDF? Since this is about UPDF, right?

By the way, I respect your right to discuss this issue. Just try and be more informative.

Ahsante.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  aggressor one on Thu Oct 25 2012, 08:39

ole Nkarei wrote:I have not one doubt in my mind that no one on this forum has expressed themselves with intentions to dishonor the priceless sacrifice of AMISOM.

Despite the impressions Media Reports have created in our Civilian Populations, AMISOM's War in Zoomaliya just like any War between Armed Elements has been as life-and-death reality as any can possibly get. Each combatant with the means and intentions to visit deadly force on the opponent with an objective to sudden termination of their opponents existence. And whoever is left standing has two over-powering emotions at the conclusion of mortal combat - gratitude to be alive, and inestimable respect for his fallen opponent. Were it not for religious strictures s that forbade AMISOM to inter the multitude of Alshabaab dead, normal and indiscriminate disposal of battlefield dead would have also applied in AMISOM Theater. Soldiers do NOT wage War with the War-dead regardless of whose they are. And on this forum we should not.

It only matters that the people of Burundi, of Uganda, of Kenya have willingly given their life-blood for Zoomaliya who the whole world abandoned and forgot. It matters NOT one damn bit how much lifeblood coz even a drop of it is priceless by all counts. Regardless of the results.

If post-theater analysis of AMISOM/OLN is going to be this Comparative ( who between the AMISOM Forces was more proficient) I cannot imagine much value being realized.

Afande i salute!!!!

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UPDF

Post  Analyst on Thu Oct 25 2012, 11:04

Gentlemen

I admire the zeal to keep UPDF gains in Sector II celebrated if not treasured.
Unfortunately, Ole Nkarei and anyone who has access to real military intel or has been to Mogadishu is very well aware of the challenges and in-capacities of the UPDF.

Documentation of dead UPDF will not be known until UN guys lift the lid. In Mogadishu which is still very insecure since when we landed from the sea, two weeks ago the chattered plane was fired at. On landing UPDF soldiers milled around us with quite a number of Americans and South Africans in the ranks. (BANCROFT).

The challenges of UPDF as a military tasked with operations to out militants draw out a picture of a 'not very capable military'....

To mention a few we recently witnessed the loss of their 3-coveted attack helicopters in Kenya due to what we could call carelessness and a kind of incompetence in both strategic planning,military aviation safety -strategy, besides pilot capacity.

Another scenario that clearly puts UPDF in test is their failure to capture Kony even after the deployment of drones and American commandos to facilitate his capture. More interestingly, the Americans (am so sorry about this one) came equipped with top-notch experts who could even map the LRA routes with the aim of using of this technology to track Kony. They have satellites, and drones to facilitate this.....but its almost an year down the line and Kony is so loose and has been helping M23 quite well.


The two scenario i have briefed you gentlemen replicate the scenario in Somalia.
After the deployment of UPDF, CIA we principal in providing UPDF with vital intelligence on positions, types of arms, and the organization structure of Al-Shabaab. When deploying their soldiers, UPDF failed to achieve the principal objective an indicator of lackluster in their fold and rank.

This is where strategy and skillset-capacity overwhelms the need for smart weapons, wherein, UPDF was well armed and still is, but their leadership, style, and strategy cannot suffice to procure the desired results. Hence a declaration that 'incapable' has manifested is approved regardless of overall achievement, like in any exam when a pass is not got, a fail is awarded.

To counter losses and failures in their strategy through a special arrangement UPDF contracted BANCROFT, a private security firm tied at the hip with BLACKWATER. This time, BANCROFT with CIA, American military, and British military started training BANCROFT COMMADOS at Uganda and Mogadishu.

To make it brief......BANCROFT COMMANDOS HAVE SINCE 2011 THROUGHOUT 2012 been deployed in Sector II wearing UPDF uniforms and ranks to lead UPDF in their ops. So who does the fighting? BANCROFT or UPDF?

To enjoin the scenarios of Kony and Mogadishu quantifies the theory of lackluster and procures the bias of rationale that UPDF is not up to the task hence their slow gains.

I request officers Ole-Nkarei and Areba to go the HQ of both security depts and verify or trash this one.

Possibly, a Somali intel officer will soon publish a picture of cooler full of these fallen brothers somewhere underground in southern part of Mogadishu airport.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  Spartan on Thu Oct 25 2012, 11:57

Analyst wrote:Gentlemen

I admire the zeal to keep UPDF gains in Sector II celebrated if not treasured.
Unfortunately, Ole Nkarei and anyone who has access to real military intel or has been to Mogadishu is very well aware of the challenges and in-capacities of the UPDF.

Documentation of dead UPDF will not be known until UN guys lift the lid. In Mogadishu which is still very insecure since when we landed from the sea, two weeks ago the chattered plane was fired at. On landing UPDF soldiers milled around us with quite a number of Americans and South Africans in the ranks. (BANCROFT).

The challenges of UPDF as a military tasked with operations to out militants draw out a picture of a 'not very capable military'....

To mention a few we recently witnessed the loss of their 3-coveted attack helicopters in Kenya due to what we could call carelessness and a kind of incompetence in both strategic planning,military aviation safety -strategy, besides pilot capacity.

Another scenario that clearly puts UPDF in test is their failure to capture Kony even after the deployment of drones and American commandos to facilitate his capture. More interestingly, the Americans (am so sorry about this one) came equipped with top-notch experts who could even map the LRA routes with the aim of using of this technology to track Kony. They have satellites, and drones to facilitate this.....but its almost an year down the line and Kony is so loose and has been helping M23 quite well.


The two scenario i have briefed you gentlemen replicate the scenario in Somalia.
After the deployment of UPDF, CIA we principal in providing UPDF with vital intelligence on positions, types of arms, and the organization structure of Al-Shabaab. When deploying their soldiers, UPDF failed to achieve the principal objective an indicator of lackluster in their fold and rank.

This is where strategy and skillset-capacity overwhelms the need for smart weapons, wherein, UPDF was well armed and still is, but their leadership, style, and strategy cannot suffice to procure the desired results. Hence a declaration that 'incapable' has manifested is approved regardless of overall achievement, like in any exam when a pass is not got, a fail is awarded.

To counter losses and failures in their strategy through a special arrangement UPDF contracted BANCROFT, a private security firm tied at the hip with BLACKWATER. This time, BANCROFT with CIA, American military, and British military started training BANCROFT COMMADOS at Uganda and Mogadishu.

To make it brief......BANCROFT COMMANDOS HAVE SINCE 2011 THROUGHOUT 2012 been deployed in Sector II wearing UPDF uniforms and ranks to lead UPDF in their ops. So who does the fighting? BANCROFT or UPDF?

To enjoin the scenarios of Kony and Mogadishu quantifies the theory of lackluster and procures the bias of rationale that UPDF is not up to the task hence their slow gains.

I request officers Ole-Nkarei and Areba to go the HQ of both security depts and verify or trash this one.

Possibly, a Somali intel officer will soon publish a picture of cooler full of these fallen brothers somewhere underground in southern part of Mogadishu airport.

Pictures, links, videos, anything other than your rumours and made-up trash. Just for the record, who do you hate more, Bancroft, CIA or UPDF? You come across like a disturbed soul full of hatred or envy. I feel for you, bro.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  aggressor one on Thu Oct 25 2012, 12:19

Spartan wrote:
Analyst wrote:Gentlemen

I admire the zeal to keep UPDF gains in Sector II celebrated if not treasured.
Unfortunately, Ole Nkarei and anyone who has access to real military intel or has been to Mogadishu is very well aware of the challenges and in-capacities of the UPDF.

Documentation of dead UPDF will not be known until UN guys lift the lid. In Mogadishu which is still very insecure since when we landed from the sea, two weeks ago the chattered plane was fired at. On landing UPDF soldiers milled around us with quite a number of Americans and South Africans in the ranks. (BANCROFT).

The challenges of UPDF as a military tasked with operations to out militants draw out a picture of a 'not very capable military'....

To mention a few we recently witnessed the loss of their 3-coveted attack helicopters in Kenya due to what we could call carelessness and a kind of incompetence in both strategic planning,military aviation safety -strategy, besides pilot capacity.

Another scenario that clearly puts UPDF in test is their failure to capture Kony even after the deployment of drones and American commandos to facilitate his capture. More interestingly, the Americans (am so sorry about this one) came equipped with top-notch experts who could even map the LRA routes with the aim of using of this technology to track Kony. They have satellites, and drones to facilitate this.....but its almost an year down the line and Kony is so loose and has been helping M23 quite well.


The two scenario i have briefed you gentlemen replicate the scenario in Somalia.
After the deployment of UPDF, CIA we principal in providing UPDF with vital intelligence on positions, types of arms, and the organization structure of Al-Shabaab. When deploying their soldiers, UPDF failed to achieve the principal objective an indicator of lackluster in their fold and rank.

This is where strategy and skillset-capacity overwhelms the need for smart weapons, wherein, UPDF was well armed and still is, but their leadership, style, and strategy cannot suffice to procure the desired results. Hence a declaration that 'incapable' has manifested is approved regardless of overall achievement, like in any exam when a pass is not got, a fail is awarded.

To counter losses and failures in their strategy through a special arrangement UPDF contracted BANCROFT, a private security firm tied at the hip with BLACKWATER. This time, BANCROFT with CIA, American military, and British military started training BANCROFT COMMADOS at Uganda and Mogadishu.

To make it brief......BANCROFT COMMANDOS HAVE SINCE 2011 THROUGHOUT 2012 been deployed in Sector II wearing UPDF uniforms and ranks to lead UPDF in their ops. So who does the fighting? BANCROFT or UPDF?

To enjoin the scenarios of Kony and Mogadishu quantifies the theory of lackluster and procures the bias of rationale that UPDF is not up to the task hence their slow gains.

I request officers Ole-Nkarei and Areba to go the HQ of both security depts and verify or trash this one.

Possibly, a Somali intel officer will soon publish a picture of cooler full of these fallen brothers somewhere underground in southern part of Mogadishu airport.

Pictures, links, videos, anything other than your rumours and made-up trash. Just for the record, who do you hate more, Bancroft, CIA or UPDF? You come across like a disturbed soul full of hatred or envy. I feel for you, bro.

Yes, i agree Analyst. You are absolutely lost in envy. You do not even know who controls which sector in Somalia. For your information, UPDF controls Sector 1, which is the most strategic sector in Somalia. It is actually KDF that controls sector II and that is where you have seen the mercenaries and other hired guns.

i have personally been sojorning between Somalia and CAR since this mission started and i assure you-for the last time that you are writing total rubbish! To me, it is a very big insult to us in UPDF and to everybody who wishes this region well.

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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Post  aggressor one on Thu Oct 25 2012, 12:25

Analyst wrote:Gentlemen

I admire the zeal to keep UPDF gains in Sector II celebrated if not treasured.
Unfortunately, Ole Nkarei and anyone who has access to real military intel or has been to Mogadishu is very well aware of the challenges and in-capacities of the UPDF.

Documentation of dead UPDF will not be known until UN guys lift the lid. In Mogadishu which is still very insecure since when we landed from the sea, two weeks ago the chattered plane was fired at. On landing UPDF soldiers milled around us with quite a number of Americans and South Africans in the ranks. (BANCROFT).

The challenges of UPDF as a military tasked with operations to out militants draw out a picture of a 'not very capable military'....

To mention a few we recently witnessed the loss of their 3-coveted attack helicopters in Kenya due to what we could call carelessness and a kind of incompetence in both strategic planning,military aviation safety -strategy, besides pilot capacity.

Another scenario that clearly puts UPDF in test is their failure to capture Kony even after the deployment of drones and American commandos to facilitate his capture. More interestingly, the Americans (am so sorry about this one) came equipped with top-notch experts who could even map the LRA routes with the aim of using of this technology to track Kony. They have satellites, and drones to facilitate this.....but its almost an year down the line and Kony is so loose and has been helping M23 quite well.


The two scenario i have briefed you gentlemen replicate the scenario in Somalia.
After the deployment of UPDF, CIA we principal in providing UPDF with vital intelligence on positions, types of arms, and the organization structure of Al-Shabaab. When deploying their soldiers, UPDF failed to achieve the principal objective an indicator of lackluster in their fold and rank.

This is where strategy and skillset-capacity overwhelms the need for smart weapons, wherein, UPDF was well armed and still is, but their leadership, style, and strategy cannot suffice to procure the desired results. Hence a declaration that 'incapable' has manifested is approved regardless of overall achievement, like in any exam when a pass is not got, a fail is awarded.

To counter losses and failures in their strategy through a special arrangement UPDF contracted BANCROFT, a private security firm tied at the hip with BLACKWATER. This time, BANCROFT with CIA, American military, and British military started training BANCROFT COMMADOS at Uganda and Mogadishu.

To make it brief......BANCROFT COMMANDOS HAVE SINCE 2011 THROUGHOUT 2012 been deployed in Sector II wearing UPDF uniforms and ranks to lead UPDF in their ops. So who does the fighting? BANCROFT or UPDF?

To enjoin the scenarios of Kony and Mogadishu quantifies the theory of lackluster and procures the bias of rationale that UPDF is not up to the task hence their slow gains.

I request officers Ole-Nkarei and Areba to go the HQ of both security depts and verify or trash this one.

Possibly, a Somali intel officer will soon publish a picture of cooler full of these fallen brothers somewhere underground in southern part of Mogadishu airport.

Poor analyist, have you realized that UPDF and the Burundians are the only forces to go to Somalia without air support, capture and hold their ground for many years and now have expanded it to 250kms away from Mogadishu? Then you have a little gap even in your mind to say that such an army is 'very weak', I have read several stories about KDF key battles at Tabda and Hosingo and in both cases, the commanders were quoted as saying that .....'If the helicopter had not appeared....things would have been different.....UPDF has faced Al shabaab without those luxuries and they have come out victoriously. I know you are envious of UPDF but remember-envy kills or makes faces old. i don`t wish you to go the same way.

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Post  areba on Thu Oct 25 2012, 12:28

I say this with all love & respect i can muster to @analyst,

Dear Spartan & Aggressor , A story was told by one politician of a time when some guy in his "trusted" ranks went rogue and peeled him off, mixing truths, half truths and untruths in a politically lethal concoction, the guy gave an illustration as follows (abridged version).

If you went to a river to shower, and a mad man came and took all your clothes off you, would you chase him? if you did, to the public who would look mad(der) ?

my 2 cents.

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Post  aggressor one on Thu Oct 25 2012, 12:36

areba wrote:I say this with all love & respect i can muster to @analyst,

Dear Spartan & Aggressor , A story was told by one politician of a time when some guy in his "trusted" ranks went rogue and peeled him off, mixing truths, half truths and untruths in a politically lethal concoction, the guy gave an illustration as follows (abridged version).

If you went to a river to shower, and a mad man came and took all your clothes off you, would you chase him? if you did, to the public who would look mad(der) ?

my 2 cents.

@Areba, some 'mad' men are not actually mad. They just look mad. I don`t think analyst is mad. He is just looking like one to drive some agenda which i will tell you later.

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Post  Spartan on Thu Oct 25 2012, 12:41

areba wrote:I say this with all love & respect i can muster to @analyst,

Dear Spartan & Aggressor , A story was told by one politician of a time when some guy in his "trusted" ranks went rogue and peeled him off, mixing truths, half truths and untruths in a politically lethal concoction, the guy gave an illustration as follows (abridged version).

If you went to a river to shower, and a mad man came and took all your clothes off you, would you chase him? if you did, to the public who would look mad(der) ?

my 2 cents.

Lol Laughing Laughing Laughing. True that. However, lies however big, if repeated over and over without a rebuttal, whole sections of the populace begin to believe them. Take the lie that UGABAG has lost thousands, for example. This site is a reference for many, including non-forumers. I am not in the habit of answering liars here but every once in a while I swing my axe and cut them down to size.

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Post  areba on Thu Oct 25 2012, 12:47

Dear Site Administrator,

I propose you add a Rep (a.k.a reputation) attached to each post that then gets counted towards the total reputation of each contributor. With either a + for thumbs up / i agree and a - for "wacha wazimu", then member profile names pegged on that and not just post count, so that you can have for example: "Analyst: Resident Madman".

Social moderation, ....
what say yee...

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Post  Analyst on Thu Oct 25 2012, 13:00

Areba.....Thanks....i could be Miguna...heheeee!
I respect your restrain...it only confirms your 6-months course graduation somewhere in Israel or so.
And your new strategy of killing me.....the strategy of public policy about Analyst as a resident mad man....?..quite a nice one, but ...Would a mad man make sense at all to make Spartan run amok and deploy salvos of such sour words?...and you to think of killing him?...of course no bro!!

In theory, every citizen makes up his mind on public questions and matters of private conduct. In practice, if all men had to study for themselves the abstruse economic, political, and ethical data involved in every question, they would find it impossible to come to a conclusion without anything. We have voluntarily agreed to let an invisible government sift the data and high-spot the outstanding issue so that our field of choice shall be narrowed to practical proportions. From our leaders and the media they use to reach the public, we accept the evidence and the demarcation of issues bearing upon public question; from some ethical teacher, be it a minister, a favorite essayist, or merely prevailing opinion, we accept a standardized code of social conduct to which we conform most of the time.

LETS NO BE FANATICS OF WHAT MAKES US HAPPY.
LEARN TO TAKE TRUTH HOWEVER BITTER WITH AN OPEN MIND
ANALYZE ISSUES BEFORE YOU PUNCH BUTTONS OF YOUR LAPTOP OR GIZMO!!
AVOID BEING EMOTIONAL ABOUT WHAT MAKES YOUR STOMACH CHURN.
JUST GENTLY POKE HOLES INTO IT AND PREEMPT IT CAREFULLY AND INTELLIGENTLY WITHOUT LEAVING A TRAIL OF WEAKNESS.

Spartan..have you ever been a witness to military brutality inside a military base?
I reckon no...at Manda-bay i saw how the army boys can be mad...this guy was taking photos with a Samsung Galaxy Note smartphone...quite easy since when you make as if you are talking..the camera is functioning...and when the military boys with him realized he was spying the base.... They seized the phone and found the crispy-crystal clear video and pics .......The smartly dressed man was 'done' MRC President Mwamduazi way besides being thrown in a trench of muddy water and whipped....oh!! that nice suit and a broken 60k phone was a mangled wreck!!

That example answers your question about links and video's of info....Oh i bought a Vogue a month ago to spare my E-200....hence am not interested in being beaten up by fellow state agents or even killed due to the curiosity that killed the cat.

But either way...this is a forum where we all share and exchange ideas and information about military and intelligence issues which coin Geopolitics in a mature/rational manner. Spartan you never know you could be my best freind regardless of your 'dont take me seriously' attitude.


About hating UPDF?.....WHY WOULD I HATE A FELLOW HUMAN BEING?......

Aggressor One...Bro....you know you always have my respect....!!ever calm and approaching issues with an open mind. I know the UPDF issues is something you treasure and having it cross-examined and faulted does not go down well with you.
Unfortunately, i reckon if we critically analyze the role of CIA in your operations they might have the problem in UPDF ops in Somalia.
Besides, i would like to share the context of military strategy and strategic value of enemy territory with you below.

Military strategy deals with the planning and conduct of campaigns, the movement and disposition of forces, and the deception of the enemy.
A number of strategies are used ...such as
Strategy of massive retaliation
Strategy of flexible reaction
Strategies of realistic threat and containment
Strategy of direct confrontation
Strategic Defense Initiative

The thourough understanding of each strategy allows the command to deploy based on the wider context whereby either strategy is based on the below principles


Objective (Direct every military operation towards a clearly defined, decisive, and attainable objective)
Offensive (Seize, retain, and exploit the initiative) Mass (Concentrate combat power at the decisive place and time)
Economy of Force (Allocate minimum essential combat power to secondary efforts)
Maneuver (Place the enemy in a disadvantageous position through the flexible application of combat power)
Unity of Command (For every objective, ensure unity of effort under one responsible commander)
Security (Never permit the enemy to acquire an unexpected advantage)
Surprise (Strike the enemy at a time, at a place, or in a manner for which he is unprepared)
Simplicity (Prepare clear, uncomplicated plans and clear, concise orders to ensure thorough understanding)

If the commanders in Mogadishu use these principles and deploy based on credible intel on enemy formation, organization, and capacity, the results can be considerably good.




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Post  MOOZALENDO on Thu Oct 25 2012, 13:03

areba wrote:Dear Site Administrator,

I propose you add a Rep (a.k.a reputation) attached to each post that then gets counted towards the total reputation of each contributor. With either a + for thumbs up / i agree and a - for "wacha wazimu", then member profile names pegged on that and not just post count, so that you can have for example: "Analyst: Resident Madman".

Social moderation, ....
what say yee...

Cutting down your neighbour does not make you taller, you need to let your tallness shine through mate! Please analyst tumechoshwa na huu utoto:no:NoNoNo.

Regarding piracy and naval and other extra-regular security arrangements, I think a fair perspective of piracy may be gleaned from the WSJ article here. Of course it has its slant but hugs the coastline of truth more than many others. The Western mindset finds it extremely difficult to acknowledge the success of those stereotyped as inferior(even among themselves by the way)! See where this attitude has taken them with China, the longterm occupier of position "ne'er do well".

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703720004575477491009472882.html

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Post  HokumA on Thu Oct 25 2012, 14:39

Gentlemen this is messing up our rep, if you disagree with @Analyst do so with restraint don’t call the Man names it hurts our rep and in similar proportions yours. If you are well informed on this matter you should present your counter arguments with confidence don't spice up your case with a dash of "Matusi" just to make it 'authoritative'. Name calling affirms that you are just another forummer among a congregation of well-informed Men.

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