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Post  Flying Crane on Mon Oct 31 2011, 09:59

Thanks Mzalendo, a helicopter assault team was all that was need to take those shopping centers. Its just a 10 minute fire fight.

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Post  mJESHI mMOJA on Mon Oct 31 2011, 10:48

Ok what ever the size of those establishments is, their capture is meant as a beacon guide to how far the incursion is and not a “thumb chesting” statement.

The strategy or the road match is to provoke a fight with the AS. We want the AS and would be fighters to come out in as large numbers as possible so that we can neutralize them as much as possible. Sending in that light force gives them a false euphoria that; if they come out in plenty they will easily overwhelm the enemy. Have a look at the KDF incursion forces 2 light tanks and military trucks its meant to encourages them to come out and fight. Our advantage and strong point is that we have a well trained and supported force.
We could have gone in with heavier metals T-72 , Vickers MK3 tanks etc but from modern battle field studies it shows that such tasks forces usually does no good, it makes Militias hide and fight another day. Or if they do fight they do so in small funits and in a hit and run tactics. Heavily armed victories against Militias are merely “white wash victories” and a postpone on the object. A clear example is the Ethiopian force, how match they throw in against what the results was. The strategy is to send in a slim force well trained and well supported, to subsequently encouraging more firefight and eventually neutralizing as many as possible militias.

The battle in Kismayo will be fought differently with heavier metals as compared to the current countryside fights.

Breaking news a regional member not Ethiopia has expressed the desire to join in for the battle of Kismayo.

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Post  one man army on Mon Oct 31 2011, 11:31

Yeah right Crane.A ten minute helicopter assault was all that was needed to take bur gaavo.Does u.p.d.f have a flying attack helicopter? I was shocked to learn that when they deployed in Somalia the 6 a.p.cs they obtained from South Africa (2 have been blown up by A.S) was their first modern A.p.cs in their inventory.Do you know how many A.p.cs Kenya has (beside the 150 mine resistant pumas they received in june of 2010?)Do you know how many attack choppers kenya has in its inventory compared to you guys based on the assumption that you have some? To give you heads up,more than all countries in eastern Africa combined and that include your buddies in Ethiopia. So when you talk of helicopters you are talking about things that you don't even have! Another gumboot mode of conduct typical of u.p.d.f.

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Post  Balozi on Tue Nov 01 2011, 13:10

can anyone tell me what type of helmet are the Kenyan Army using?


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Post  Guest on Tue Nov 01 2011, 13:55

Looks like an Israeli Orlite or something.

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Post  mJESHI mMOJA on Tue Nov 01 2011, 22:31

Helmets: olive green Israeli Orlite 407 Kevlar version
Attires DPM Windproof Smock (British)
ECBA (Enhanced Combat Body Armour) (British)
Assault rifles G3A3 enlist and AR-15A4 for Officers
Squad assault weapon IMI Negev (Israel) or FN Minimi (Belgium)
Combat net Radios CNR, Tadiran CNR-9000HDR multi-adaptive Tadiran Communications of Israel

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Post  SS Jamuhuri on Wed Nov 02 2011, 09:30

[quote="mJESHI mMOJA"]Ok what ever the size of those establishments is, their capture is meant as a beacon guide to how far the incursion is and not a “thumb chesting” statement.

The strategy or the road match is to provoke a fight with the AS. We want the AS and would be fighters to come out in as large numbers as possible so that we can neutralize them as much as possible. Sending in that light force gives them a false euphoria that; if they come out in plenty they will easily overwhelm the enemy. Have a look at the KDF incursion forces 2 light tanks and military trucks its meant to encourages them to come out and fight. Our advantage and strong point is that we have a well trained and supported force.
We could have gone in with heavier metals T-72 , Vickers MK3 tanks etc but from modern battle field studies it shows that such tasks forces usually does no good, it makes Militias hide and fight another day. Or if they do fight they do so in small funits and in a hit and run tactics. Heavily armed victories against Militias are merely “white wash victories” and a postpone on the object. A clear example is the Ethiopian force, how match they throw in against what the results was. The strategy is to send in a slim force well trained and well supported, to subsequently encouraging more firefight and eventually neutralizing as many as possible militias.

That explains why the rangers are spearheading the mission

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Post  SS Jamuhuri on Wed Nov 02 2011, 09:35

http://www.negedneshek.org/2011/05/iai-seeking-drone-sales-in-angola-kenya/

can anyone shed light on this??

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Post  Balozi on Wed Nov 02 2011, 10:20

whats going on here......
NATIONMEDIA wrote:Two planes fly arms to Al-Shabaab

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Two+planes+fly+arms+to+Al+Shabaab+/-/1056/1265862/-/ym79p4/-/index.html


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Post  Risasi on Wed Nov 02 2011, 11:04

@SS Jamuhuri
drones....part of the general force modernization.

@Balozi
intelligent Cells at Asmara info about a possible arms supply to the A.S forces from Eritrea. on 23 Oct 2011 We tried to get a no flying Zone enforced by IGAD member states.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/187719.html

Unfortunately it has taken into effect

Arms Funds
pirate ransoms. the better half of the cash into Asmara for munitions procurement and some cash into Kenya for investment . Asmara big wigs procure arms for the A.S in returns for kick backs

Arms Delivered at Baidoa
AT-3 Sagger ATGM Launcher (anti tank missiles and launchers)
SA-7 Grail MANPADs (anti aircraft missiles and launchers) intended use KAF helicopters gunship and Tigers
ZU-23-2 MGs for technical forces
Caskets of 5.56mm(AK47) , 7.62mm (LMG) 12.7mm bullets (technical mounted MGs) and RPG rounds

Next Ops
Take out Baidoa airstrips against all odds of Humanitarian organizations who are also using the facility

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Post  jasiri on Wed Nov 02 2011, 15:29

@risasi by take out u mean cratering the runway or commando takeover?
@Crane the airborne specialist, pray do tell brother, does the UPDF nowadays have a helicopter assault school?

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Post  Risasi on Wed Nov 02 2011, 16:33

Ya create Menegai crates on the runways. I personally never thought Eritrea could do this but its happen. Special Forces can take the strip but they can’t stay in more then 7 day due to their limited rations and supplies during jump off. we first need to send in 12KA combat engineers as all the roads in have been mined as we speak, Kaf ops will be limited to 7000feet to avoid SA-2 and Gunship kept at bay. we will relay on the old fashion runway blasting bombs.

Separately the azania/jubaland on track and former Somalia Defence Minister Professor Mohamed Abdi Gandhi favored candidate for the chair. Sharif Ahmed is boiling over the issue.

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Post  Sierra Kilo on Wed Nov 02 2011, 16:43

All dots connect now. The Eritreans then invest the proceeds of arms sales to A.S in hotel businesses in KHT and JUB. Shouldn't Kenya then unite with ET in isolating Eritrea, probably embargoing the Afeworkis regime?

Also Sharrif Sheikh ahmed is in Kampala when his PM is in NBO what are they discussing with M7 behind Kenya's back

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Post  one man army on Thu Nov 03 2011, 02:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6ZaQudnsOHM
cheers to our guys.

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Post  one man army on Thu Nov 03 2011, 05:18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=v8ExaUT28uk
Kenya for life.I live for u and need be am prepared to die for u.

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Post  jasiri on Thu Nov 03 2011, 13:11

Risasi wrote:kaf ops will be limited to 7000feet to avoid SA-2
isn't that too much? what's the effective altitude of an sa-7? well below 5000 ft sio?...Hasn't anyone thought of hitting the planes on the ground once ground intel confirm the have landed? it doesn't hurt to go Israeli on this guys once in a while aye? why let them unload? i would have proposed hitting their origin American "axis of evil style" but i know what this would mean for the the GoK and the economy at large.

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Post  Sisal Makonge on Thu Nov 03 2011, 19:29

I would agree with jasiri . demolish the air fields. The Humanitarian organizations will understand the purpose of the ops.

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Post  Sierra Kilo on Thu Nov 03 2011, 20:34

I am afraid i have to disagree with the idea of cratering the airfields especially the tarmacked ones like Baidoa. These facilities will later serve as forward operational bases when they are liberated and i dont think that it would serve the purpose if they are laid to waste. KAF ought to monitor all the air traffic within the operational radius either by AWACS or field RADARs. I do not think that the cargo aircrafts most probably AN-12 or AN-32 can outrun the Tigers incase of a discovered breach.

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Post  Risasi on Thu Nov 03 2011, 20:42

@sisal Not keen on the news sisal?
The very organization that will benefit from a peaceful Somalia have distance themselves from the incursion.
http://www.minnpost.com/worldcsm/2011/10/21/32568/kenyans_ask_if_military_attack_in_somalia_has_exit_strategy

@ jasiri
ya its quiet high but considering that .The Strela-2M has a altitude range 50–2300m or 6900feet and Max. Distance (horizontal) Range of 5,500 meters + a fragmentation warhead.
7000 feet is demanding in dropping dumb bombs accurately while minimizing collateral.
Hitting a foreign registered plane would bring more issues and it would be an open invitation to them into the front. Lets turn a blind eye. Separately spotter are on the roads and if any thing leave out of Afmadoe we will turn it into charcoal.

Kenya Army corporal handling the latest version of the M-16 the M4A1carbine. next to him is a female soldier.

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Post  Risasi on Thu Nov 03 2011, 21:32

Power struggles
It seems that Sharif didn’t anticipate a quick succession by the KDF in the incursion. He went to M7 for a rescue plan. he has had protest against him by the locals and several renegade Generals in Jubaland. His current P.M is playing safe with GoK . sharif is trying to secure one of the two possiblities

Possibility 1
A guarantee presidency at Kisimayo with the help from UPDF fighting along the Kenyans. After the fall of Kismayo UPDF hands it over to AMISOM. He then establishes his Gov,t. coz If Kisimayo is taken by renegade Militias and the KDF he feels that he has no place in Kismayo and at best he gets a power sharing deal. (almost Impossible read below quotation).

Possibility 2
UPDF to add more boots on the ground and push south of Mogadishu, and if Jubaland is established, He still has a greater portion south of Mogadishu. P/s who knows if the Incursion will stop at Kismayo it might continue northwards.


Residents of Dhobley town near the border with Kenya took to the streets, waving Kenyan and Somali flags and burning pictures of Somali President, Mr Sheikh Sharif Ahmed.
"We want Kenya and Somalia to fight Al-Shabaab in every corner. We do not have any other hope for life," said an elder, Mr Gedi Farah.
"Kenya, do not believe the words of our weak President. Please fight Al-Shabaab and go deep into Somalia. We want to return to our homes," Reuters news agency quoted Farah as saying.
"Sherif, if you cannot, or do not want to oust Al-Shabaab, let Kenya do it for the sake of the suffering Somalis," spokesman Sheikh Abdullahi Sheikh Abu Yusuf (Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca's) told Reuters

http://allafrica.com/stories/201110270078.html

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Post  SS Jamuhuri on Fri Nov 04 2011, 08:15

@ risasi, how will the UPDF join the offensive for liberating Kismayu?? or do they want to join in along with KDF coz that will only weaken the offensive?

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Post  SS Jamuhuri on Fri Nov 04 2011, 08:57

This is the reason why Uncle Sam failed in Somalia during the black hawk incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koeRpW63cAk&feature=related

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Post  mJESHI mMOJA on Fri Nov 04 2011, 09:31

Somalia - President Sheikh Sharif Sheik Ahmed wants the UPDF or rather AMISOM troops to be part of the incursion. I that case AMISOM can ague it out that he is the president of a UNITED Somalia and hence Kismaayo is part of his state. If he looses Kisiimayo after the incursion it will definitely send a blow and a loss on his relevancy. last week he proposed a TGF incursion with KDF providing logistic , training and fire support but that proposal was rejected by KDF.
The current incursion stands as follows
1. KDF
2. TGF forces Prime Minister Abdiweli Mohamed Ali
3. former Somalia Defence Minister Professor Mohamed Abdi Gandhi
4. Ras Kamboni Brigade Hassan Abdullah Hersi al-Turki
5. Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca's Sheikh Abdullahi Sheikh Abu Yusuf
6. dissident A.S defectors, Ex-Kenyans A.S operatives and Opportunist Gangs

As per the KDF/GoK we aren,t interested in ending the piracy activities at the Somalia waters, all what we want to secure our border with who ever the leader of south Somali or the greater Somali is. What Assistant Minister for Foreign Affairs Richard Onyonka said was correct and a “cat out of the bag situation”. When A.S was at peace with GoK with minor acts of banditry we never bothered them. Now that they messed with us we chuck them out and let another King pin run his show with or without piracy that not our business. All we need him to do is secure the Kenyan border against meaning less banditry activities.

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Post  Balozi on Fri Nov 04 2011, 10:05

what are these equipment in the Mi-8

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Post  mJESHI mMOJA on Fri Nov 04 2011, 14:11

The KAf operates the Mi-171sh version. its a transport helicopter that can also be used as an attack helicopter gunship. It has kevlar plates around the cockpit area and engines, and a loading ramp doors. Under it are below it are Electro-Optical Infrared Sensor Suite Element. on the side are external fuel tanks. http://www.uuaz.ru/production/mi171sh/mi171sh_about_e.html

http://www.youtube.com/user/kenyacitizentv#p/c/9E48408AE9145817/2/6Obl3LyduW0

Hehehh guys where the fucking G3? On its way to the scrap yard I guess. …….a full platoon of AR-15s.kudo to Gen. Kasaon
http://www.youtube.com/user/kenyacitizentv#p/c/9E48408AE9145817/1/ygv_VvLKLIY

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Post  Risasi on Fri Nov 04 2011, 15:59

Foreign Affairs minister Moses Wetangula , george saitoti minister internal security and yusuf haji defence minister are playing the cards rightly as its suppose to be. A next Head of state campaign for the trio??? The trio is handling the matters as professional as it should be. Thumbs up gentlemen.
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Kenya+may+review+Eritrea+ties+over+Shabaab+/-/1056/1267128/-/599cw6/-/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfCXTIRZC1s&feature=player_embedded
(the guy must have wetted his pants)

On a serperate note the Department of Defence (DoD) has recalled Bogita Ongeri to continue as the spokesman. Ongeri will now help Maj Emmanuel Chirchir in issuing statements on the war. Chirchir has been handling the media since the military ventured into Somalia. Ongeri is a graduate of JFK Special Warfare Centre in the US

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Post  Guest on Fri Nov 04 2011, 19:41

Ati American drones staging out of Ethiopia all over Jubaland? Ati British / American SpecOps guys pathfinding for KDF? Ati American satellite and Hummit feeds to KDF? Ati Risasi and his boys must need a white soldier to laser-range and laser-target their strafing run? Wha the hell is the matter with Africans? I come up for some air, and social sites are full of American, French, British ‘’this-or-that’’ crawling all over as if KDF is some jua-kali marching army!! Who do you reckon has been talking in our Fly-boys? Shadowing known bandit leaders to-ground by name and colour, and calling thunder upon their heads? Precision air-strikes with pin-point targeting? Accurate Kill-count with clear separation of bandit and non-combatants, KIA and visible trauma? Our chaps are ranging all over Jubaland, Gedo with Recce Units on Recon-by-force inside Crazy Town itself for weeks! If you ran a half-brigade in Somalia, would you trust a Somali irregular/riff-raff with tactical intelligence?

Any day now, this drama will close, only way to it. You see, the bandits come flooding into Afmadow and Kismayo, like latrine flies drawn by the stench of a fresh spoor, Mujahedeen panting for seven virgins, and the noncombatants separate in fear. Ringed-in on all sides including the sea, with a bottleneck opening into Baidoa and Jilib, Bu’aale extending right into Crazy Town. UPDF from the North-east, and Ethiopia into Central Gedo and Galmugdug. Al-shabaab is done, only danger now is of the classic threat of inadvertent crashing between Allied Forces with conflicting self-interests.

Kenyans, keep the fire stoked, blog running. Mjeshi, just re-enlist, man , you are salivating for some action!! Risasi, you, buddy, should be up soon in the thick of things, I reckon.

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Post  Risasi on Fri Nov 04 2011, 20:56

Hey man were the hell did you pop up from? Went thought the list of the ill fated Z-9 was a sad incident but I was glad I didn,t see that familiar name. Did some light sorties I don,t want to dwell on them as it will surely paint me, I still want to get an extra diamond you know. I will post some cell pic of a crazy town I took from my cell. I was so low that I could make out who was chewing some Miraa. Kudos man welcome back.

Just learnt that the Naval skiff 18 killed incident is being branded as collateral by the area locals, some fish men from lamu. Whoever they were they acted suspiciously na ukweli wako nao wao why the heck didn,t they stop upon confrontation.

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Post  Guest on Fri Nov 04 2011, 21:17

Sorry about that scare, fly-jock. Lotsa pals scared out for lotsa buddies in-theatre, but that the stuff this job is all about. Someone gotta do the thing. Went in a while ago before jump-off, running deep, wild, and under the radar. Full complement of shaggy looking, smelly mean Deltas. Been very hot very interesting, very active. Plenty of contact, not extended. Those UAVs ain’t American, I can tell you. Eritrea is not in this thing, tis just a preemptive strat to keep them out and behaved. The whole place is locked tighter than a Gituamba girl – no way to drive a prop-jet covert at all. Just back for debrief and dial in on other manenos, and then back in probably early morning kesho. Get some rest, make some calls now.

It now makes sense why that Eritrean Prezzy went calling to M7 like a meek lamb, no? I dont reckon these divisions being bandied by western press about M7 & Shariff, then Meles and Eritrean-chap, and KDF are substantive - seems more like a common strategy to box these madmen in, but not certain. If you go in, I will make contact.

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Post  SS Jamuhuri on Sat Nov 05 2011, 01:11

@ Nkarei, if those drones don't belong to uncle sam, could it mean they are the ones we were supposed to purchase from Israel??

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