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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Spartan on Mon Nov 26 2012, 08:49

mbs wrote:The question Spartan is, do we really want Kabilas incompetence in running a country to continue? if M23 can route Kabila army like they have done, again and again, then maybe its time to let M23 overun the eastern Area of the country. If they can govern their little Kingdom, Goma, then let them be. Have you seen the body language exhibited by Kabila in Uganda ? a whipped boy who has got no regional friends

If the rebels can hold territory for at least six months, which by all accounts they have shown they can, and Kabila continues to dither between pleasing the Mobutuists around him while not meeting rebel demands, you can take my word, DRC as we know it will cease to exist.

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  aggressor one on Mon Nov 26 2012, 10:04

Spartan wrote:
mbs wrote:The question Spartan is, do we really want Kabilas incompetence in running a country to continue? if M23 can route Kabila army like they have done, again and again, then maybe its time to let M23 overun the eastern Area of the country. If they can govern their little Kingdom, Goma, then let them be. Have you seen the body language exhibited by Kabila in Uganda ? a whipped boy who has got no regional friends

If the rebels can hold territory for at least six months, which by all accounts they have shown they can, and Kabila continues to dither between pleasing the Mobutuists around him while not meeting rebel demands, you can take my word, DRC as we know it will cease to exist.

I actually think that it is a matter of time before this split occurs-officially. North and South Kivu, the two areas dominated by the Tutsi are almost as large as Uganda-don`t even mention Rwanda. This fact alone is a cheesed motivator for the M23 to set up their own state. Ever since i became an adult, i have had this feeling that the size of the DRC is a very big mistake that can only be corrected by cutting it up into smaller easily governable countries-along the distinct tribes that occupy them. The only problem is that Kivu is very rich with minerals-but again, the Kinshasha regime has not shown us that it wants to fight for this region-at least not by the behavior of the FARDC!

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Spartan on Mon Nov 26 2012, 19:50

Looks like the MONUSCO operation has been unmasked, and this journalist doesn't like the look of it

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  HokumA on Tue Nov 27 2012, 09:07

That article puts it like it is apart from one thing the UPDF KIA in crazy town No, you wonder what the intended objective is Mad

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Spartan on Tue Nov 27 2012, 12:57

HokumA wrote:That article puts it like it is apart from one thing the UPDF KIA in crazy town No, you wonder what the intended objective is Mad

The writer was wrong there but I appreciate the point she was trying to make, that is the sacrifice of AMISOM viz-a-vis the unwillingness of MONUSCO to sacrifice for their mission.

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China to Launch DRC's First Satellite!

Post  Kepler-Euler on Thu Nov 29 2012, 14:52

Given the past, present and immediate future state of affairs in Congo; is this the best way to make an investment?

http://www.un-spider.org/about-us/news/en/6306/2012-11-28t081900/congosat1-chinese-company-will-launch-dr-congos-first

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DR CONGO

Post  Guest on Thu Nov 29 2012, 16:38

Kepler-Euler wrote:Given the past, present and immediate future state of affairs in Congo; is this the best way to make an investment?

http://www.un-spider.org/about-us/news/en/6306/2012-11-28t081900/congosat1-chinese-company-will-launch-dr-congos-first


The DRC leadership has totally lost the plot.Lets compare DRC with other nations in the region

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

From this list, the DRC has a GDP (nominal) of 15 billion dollars.Tz's is 23.3B, Ug's is 16.8B, Ke's 34.8B, Rw 6B & Bu 2.4B. Then it gets more interesting when we look at the population of the various nations in the region;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_population
DRC's is 65m, TZ 47, Ug 35, Ke 42, Rw 11.2 & Bu 8.7m.

Therefore the GDP per capita which is the GDP growth viz a viz the population strength is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_GDP_(PPP). DRC's economy is bigger than Rw and Bu only.their population is 65M that means launching a satelite to space should be the least of their worries





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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Spartan on Fri Nov 30 2012, 10:53

mchoraji wrote:
Kepler-Euler wrote:Given the past, present and immediate future state of affairs in Congo; is this the best way to make an investment?

http://www.un-spider.org/about-us/news/en/6306/2012-11-28t081900/congosat1-chinese-company-will-launch-dr-congos-first


The DRC leadership has totally lost the plot.Lets compare DRC with other nations in the region

I am assuming that like South Africa, Egypt and Nigeria, this is going to be a communications satellite.I will cut them some slack this time. Most big countries find it hard to lay miles and miles of communications infrastructure (fibre optic cables, masts etc). Satellites also make it easier to monitor weather changes, track forest cover as well as offer digital tv reception.

Which brings me to the question, how are we going to pull off digital migration without satellites of our own, especially for public broadcasters? Don't be surprised when we hitch a ride aboard the Congolese satellite.

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  cylon on Sat Dec 01 2012, 19:52

Spartan wrote:
mchoraji wrote:
Kepler-Euler wrote:Given the past, present and immediate future state of affairs in Congo; is this the best way to make an investment?

http://www.un-spider.org/about-us/news/en/6306/2012-11-28t081900/congosat1-chinese-company-will-launch-dr-congos-first


The DRC leadership has totally lost the plot.Lets compare DRC with other nations in the region

I am assuming that like South Africa, Egypt and Nigeria, this is going to be a communications satellite.I will cut them some slack this time. Most big countries find it hard to lay miles and miles of communications infrastructure (fibre optic cables, masts etc). Satellites also make it easier to monitor weather changes, track forest cover as well as offer digital tv reception.

Which brings me to the question, how are we going to pull off digital migration without satellites of our own, especially for public broadcasters? Don't be surprised when we hitch a ride aboard the Congolese satellite.


Easy we just ask china to develop one for us, We'd pay china for them to launch 5 communication satellites for us......

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Addendum to the UN 'Group of Experts' report on Congo

Post  Spartan on Tue Dec 04 2012, 10:42

Warning: The following report contains rumors and assumptions and is not
suited for discerning intelligent people who can think for themselves. Double-checking motives
and credibility of sources is strongly advised.

Here is the report. Oh, need I add, it was leaked. Again.

On a serious note, the report makes interesting reading, as it accuses Rwanda of directly taking part in the fighting in Goma. It also accuses Uganda of deploying near its border with DRC, apparently ready to go in and man the rear positions of the M23. The thing with these kinds of accusations is that they are condescending - when someone accuses you of doing a stupid thing, he inherently implies that you are stupid!

In 1961, the UN Secretary General Dag Hammarskjold died in the DRC. Could the DRC kill the UN itself?

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M23 Conundrum

Post  Guest on Fri Dec 07 2012, 16:24

Nothing at the present moment presents a grave a strategic threat to Kenyana as the happenings in North and South Kivu. Deadly and expansive interstate War looms.

Even discounting that shallow and transparently political Report by those UN-hired thugs, it would be stretching credence kinda thinly to assume Rwanda and Uganda are ignorant of the dangers posed to them by Kabila's inability to govern his Eastern Province - they are keenly aware of this, indeed as would any responsible Government anywhere. They have consequently taken steps to safeguard themselves including exerting a political economic and military influence on players and events in Eastern DRC.

When ICGL convened under M7 in Kampala, this thing started running away from us since Kabila accuses Uganda and Rwanda of germinating and nurturing the conflict whic was the subject of the Kampala Summit.

Now, at the insistence of the DRC, SADC convenes on Friday-to-Sunday this week in Dar. They have a mutual Defence Pact which both Angola, Namibia and DRC have invoked. Ostensible they meet to review the "grave deteriorating humanitarian conditions in Eastern DRC, and discuss the results of the Kampala Summit". But - SADC successfully lobbied for Tanzania to Command the 'stabilization force" from as many as nine ICGL/EAC countries including Kenya!

If Primacy of Action to stabilize DRC passes from the EAC-expanded to SADC as Nzuma has been scheming, Kenyana will be a still-born concept. DRC will face J'burg as will Tanzania whobwill probably drag Rwanda and Burundi along with her!

The prospects therefore of disparate Unilateral Military and Intelligence activities within the Multilateral Stabilization Force looms. With serious consequences more grave than the first two earlier interventions by SADC in the DRC of the Nineties.

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Spartan on Fri Dec 07 2012, 18:16

ole Nkarei wrote:Nothing at the present moment presents a grave a strategic threat to Kenyana as the happenings in North and South Kivu. Deadly and expansive interstate War looms.

Even discounting that shallow and transparently political Report by those UN-hired thugs, it would be stretching credence kinda thinly to assume Rwanda and Uganda are ignorant of the dangers posed to them by Kabila's inability to govern his Eastern Province - they are keenly aware of this, indeed as would any responsible Government anywhere. They have consequently taken steps to safeguard themselves including exerting a political economic and military influence on players and events in Eastern DRC.

When ICGL convened under M7 in Kampala, this thing started running away from us since Kabila accuses Uganda and Rwanda of germinating and nurturing the conflict whic was the subject of the Kampala Summit.

Now, at the insistence of the DRC, SADC convenes on Friday-to-Sunday this week in Dar. They have a mutual Defence Pact which both Angola, Namibia and DRC have invoked. Ostensible they meet to review the "grave deteriorating humanitarian conditions in Eastern DRC, and discuss the results of the Kampala Summit". But - SADC successfully lobbied for Tanzania to Command the 'stabilization force" from as many as nine ICGL/EAC countries including Kenya!

If Primacy of Action to stabilize DRC passes from the EAC-expanded to SADC as Nzuma has been scheming, Kenyana will be a still-born concept. DRC will face J'burg as will Tanzania whobwill probably drag Rwanda and Burundi along with her!

The prospects therefore of disparate Unilateral Military and Intelligence activities within the Multilateral Stabilization Force looms. With serious consequences more grave than the first two earlier interventions by SADC in the DRC of the Nineties.

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When your house's on fire, you will welcome any help - even from your erstwhile enemy. No one else can exercise any form of pressure on M23 apart from Uganda and Rwanda. Whether it's because of common cultural heritage, not wanting an enemy at their rear or the possibility of support coming from any of the two countries to M23, the rebels somehow listen to the said countries. That's why Kabila grudgingly agrees to 'talk' to them, while at the same time stalling and running helter skelter all over the region to anyone willing to help.

On DRC's now-off-now-on romance with SADC and the attendant Kenyana implications, I don't think Kabila is serious with it. He only goes there when he feels threatened by elements within Kenyana. That flirtation with SADC will die along with change in government either in Kinshasha or Kampala and Kigali. You see, this conflict has a lot to do with Kabila not trusting the other Ks in Kampala and Kigali while the latter have more concrete reasons not to be comfortable - DRC's harbouring of ADF and FDLR, each said to number in the thousands.

That said, any and all ICGLR-mandated forces are welcome in East DRC, as long as they operate within that mandate. I cannot say the same for any forces under any bilateral arrangement between DRC and any other countries, SADC or not, especially if those countries helping Kabila only recognise M23 as the threat to peace and not all the 24 rebel groups in East DRC. That's my strongly held personal opinion.

But Kabila should know better. Any new confrontation will either end his presidency, or the DRC as we know it. This is what an M23 rebel spokesperson said a week ago
Amani Kabasha, M23 Spokesperson wrote:We want more than decentralization, we want federalism. The eastern parts of Congo’s interests are in eastern Africa.

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SADC extraordinary Summit Resolutions.

Post  Guest on Sun Dec 09 2012, 21:44

It is now All Steam Ahead - SADC is deploying to Kivu within the next week or so. A USD 250Mil already set up (though the figure publicly stated at USD100). Kabila hiring modern-day mercenaries.

A moribund Standby force of two Brigades has been activated. Fully Mechaanised with an Air calvary and Transport Elements. Under the Tanzanian Commander of the Neutral International force.

Theater of Ops - North Kivu and South Ituri - there is already a Battalion of SADF in Burundi!

Mandate - (a) shut out the RDF in Rwanda (b) deal conclusively with ALL Negative Forces in Theater including the RDF-Reserves embedded in the M23/CRA, (c) reorganize and retrain the Kabila Armed Force.
(d) interface with the Civilian Authorities and Humanitarian Agencies.

Summit restated the Unitary and indivisible State of DRC and condemned all external efforts to dismember the DRC.

Things are getting interesting. And dangerous.

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Spartan on Mon Dec 10 2012, 09:27

ole Nkarei wrote:It is now All Steam Ahead - SADC is deploying to Kivu within the next week or so. A USD 250Mil already set up (though the figure publicly stated at USD100). Kabila hiring modern-day mercenaries.

A moribund Standby force of two Brigades has been activated. Fully Mechaanised with an Air calvary and Transport Elements. Under the Tanzanian Commander of the Neutral International force.

Theater of Ops - North Kivu and South Ituri - there is already a Battalion of SADF in Burundi!

Mandate - (a) shut out the RDF in Rwanda (b) deal conclusively with ALL Negative Forces in Theater including the RDF-Reserves embedded in the M23/CRA, (c) reorganize and retrain the Kabila Armed Force.
(d) interface with the Civilian Authorities and Humanitarian Agencies.

Summit restated the Unitary and indivisible State of DRC and condemned all external efforts to dismember the DRC.

Things are getting interesting. And dangerous.

I am cautiously optimistic that this will work, as long as the following happens;
1. The forces go in with an 'AMISOM mentality' - ready to dish it out as well as take a shellacking once in a while.
2. They deal with ALL negative forces - all known 24 of them, not just M23

Otherwise the standby brigade has a fight on its hands, especially with the ADF (numbering at about 1500 well trained rebels). Interested to see how that will play out. They are brutal fundamentalists and terrorists , but as a fighting force, they have our respect.

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SADC REALLY WANTS THIS

Post  Guest on Mon Dec 10 2012, 15:01

Malawi promises 150 soldiers for the East DRC force .....the gaps in the puzzle are being filled. I however wish TZ wont be commanding this force ......but since it's SADC not EAC driving this agenda, let's see how it plays out.
Any ideas how many soldiers UG & Kenya will be willing to send?

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/World/Malawi-pledges-sending-soldiers-to-DRC/-/688340/1640598/-/4k1e52z/-/index.html

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  mbs on Mon Dec 10 2012, 19:35

mchoraji wrote:Malawi promises 150 soldiers for the East DRC force .....the gaps in the puzzle are being filled. I however wish TZ wont be commanding this force ......but since it's SADC not EAC driving this agenda, let's see how it plays out.
Any ideas how many soldiers UG & Kenya will be willing to send?

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/World/Malawi-pledges-sending-soldiers-to-DRC/-/688340/1640598/-/4k1e52z/-/index.html
Mchoraji am sorry but its not going to happen. the maneno is a SADC event only. besides, are you so sure that the EAC is not in bed with M23? maybe not, but am sure we are not in bed with Kabila either! dont look at the DRC as a country but as a 'woman' who has the habit of dishing out her goods to anyone who chats her up. Are we going to take the high moral ground and chastise her or are we going to take our share and be on our way like everyone else? second option my friend. DRC features in our regions plans to be a doorway to DRC and SS and the interior of Africa. Look at the map of Africa in relation to the world and you will see where our regions fit in the grand plan of Asia Trade.

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M23/CRA conundrum

Post  Guest on Tue Dec 11 2012, 00:13

Clearly in reaction to SADC Summit resolution to deploy in-force into the Kivu, and the very categorical statements from Heads of SADC States of their clear intention to recover Kabila's lost control of Eastern DRC, the M23 /CRA chaps have imperilously (last night) throwm the Gauntlet down in Kampala with savage condemnations of the DRC Government that just simply crashed further discussions. It appears that they have seen through the Kampala Smokescreen and are rushing about the Kivu to exploit their military positions before SADC deploys. We have a fight, gentlemen!

It could get even more bloodier because the SADC deployment is not automatically complimentary to the NFI that was concepted by the ICGL in Kampala in October. No matter the feel-good pronouncements by the ideologues in our midst, this is simply a hostile 'take-over' of a Key component of the ICGL/EAC-expanded. Or course we are not all going to sit on our hands and gift the DRC to the Afrikanners! Like I posted earlier, if the DRC pivots and faces 'South' then Tanzania will finally be emboldended to break away from the EAC and will most likely stampede Rwanda and Burundi along with her. We cannot survive that sort of massive bleeding and be a viable Regional Block in Africa.


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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Spartan on Tue Dec 11 2012, 08:23

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mchoraji wrote:the maneno is a SADC event only. besides, are you so sure that the EAC is not in bed with M23? maybe not, but am sure we are not in bed with Kabila either! dont look at the DRC as a country but as a 'woman' who has the habit of dishing out her goods to anyone who chats her up. Are we going to take the high moral ground and chastise her or are we going to take our share and be on our way like everyone else? second option my friend. DRC features in our regions plans to be a doorway to DRC and SS and the interior of Africa. Look at the map of Africa in relation to the world and you will see where our regions fit in the grand plan of Asia Trade.

Well said, bro. Now on to these numbers - 4,000 troops contributed by 11 countries! That doesn't sound like a fighting force. People are learning the wrong lessons from AMISOM in Somalia. Same concerns with the West African Mali plans.

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Guest on Tue Dec 11 2012, 09:12

Spartan wrote:
... these numbers - 4,000 troops contributed by 11 countries! That doesn't sound like a fighting force. People are learning the wrong lessons from AMISOM in Somalia. Same concerns with the West African Mali plans.

SADC intends to deploy into Eastern DRC very marginally as part of the NFI. An entire Battle Group that is completely independent of ICGL, with an independent Funding too!! Essentially, this SADC deployment breaks Kabila free from the NFI which Uganda and Rwanda would have controlled anyway despite the Tanzanian CO. He might just have the means through SADC to not only deal with the Security Situation in the Eastern Province (and obviate a break-up of the DRC touted by external forces), but also effectively check-mate Rwanda and Uganda on the Eastern DRC! SADC is invoking the Mutual Defense Protocols of their Grouping - and will deploy whatever the ICGL think or do about it.

Very few of those Countries touted to contribute to the NFI will actually do so. I dont imagine we shall. Certainly Rwanda and Uganda will and must contribute. Consequently the critical balance in this Force has not been achieved, which explains why deployment has yet to take place months after it was concepted in Kampala. But 12 States were invited to contribute to AMISOM and only two did until last year - the ECOWAS still only have a symbolic presence in Soomaliya.

The danger here is that this noble Multilateral Intervention into the Eastern DRC by ICGL-Kampala might eventually degenerate to unilateral or at best multilateral actions to counter the SADC presence and activities there. Then the shyte will really fly!!

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Spartan on Tue Dec 11 2012, 10:36

ole Nkarei wrote:SADC intends to deploy into Eastern DRC very marginally as part of the NFI. An entire Battle Group that is completely independent of ICGL, with an independent Funding too!! Essentially, this SADC deployment breaks Kabila free from the NFI which Uganda and Rwanda would have controlled anyway despite the Tanzanian CO. He might just have the means through SADC to not only deal with the Security Situation in the Eastern Province (and obviate a break-up of the DRC touted by external forces), but also effectively check-mate Rwanda and Uganda on the Eastern DRC! SADC is invoking the Mutual Defense Protocols of their Grouping - and will deploy whatever the ICGL think or do about it.

Very few of those Countries touted to contribute to the NFI will actually do so. I dont imagine we shall. Certainly Rwanda and Uganda will and must contribute. Consequently the critical balance in this Force has not been achieved, which explains why deployment has yet to take place months after it was concepted in Kampala. But 12 States were invited to contribute to AMISOM and only two did until last year - the ECOWAS still only have a symbolic presence in Soomaliya.

The danger here is that this noble Multilateral Intervention into the Eastern DRC by ICGL-Kampala might eventually degenerate to unilateral or at best multilateral actions to counter the SADC presence and activities there. Then the shyte will really fly!!

You raise some serious concerns about the machinations of SADC in this region. But SADC must accommodate Uganda and Rwanda's concerns with the DRC - its provision of safe havens to FDLR and ADF. Whether they do that through SADC or ICGLR we couldn't care less. Short of that the problems of the DRC will just be recycled.

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Guest on Tue Dec 11 2012, 11:13

Spartan wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:SADC intends to deploy into Eastern DRC very marginally as part of the NFI. An entire Battle Group that is completely independent of ICGL, with an independent Funding too!! Essentially, this SADC deployment breaks Kabila free from the NFI which Uganda and Rwanda would have controlled anyway despite the Tanzanian CO. He might just have the means through SADC to not only deal with the Security Situation in the Eastern Province (and obviate a break-up of the DRC touted by external forces), but also effectively check-mate Rwanda and Uganda on the Eastern DRC! SADC is invoking the Mutual Defense Protocols of their Grouping - and will deploy whatever the ICGL think or do about it.

Very few of those Countries touted to contribute to the NFI will actually do so. I dont imagine we shall. Certainly Rwanda and Uganda will and must contribute. Consequently the critical balance in this Force has not been achieved, which explains why deployment has yet to take place months after it was concepted in Kampala. But 12 States were invited to contribute to AMISOM and only two did until last year - the ECOWAS still only have a symbolic presence in Soomaliya.

The danger here is that this noble Multilateral Intervention into the Eastern DRC by ICGL-Kampala might eventually degenerate to unilateral or at best multilateral actions to counter the SADC presence and activities there. Then the shyte will really fly!!


You raise some serious concerns about the machinations of SADC in this region. But SADC must accommodate Uganda and Rwanda's concerns with the DRC - its provision of safe havens to FDLR and ADF. Whether they do that through SADC or ICGLR we couldn't care less. Short of that the problems of the DRC will just be recycled.

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But that is just it, @Spartan! Putting aside the obvious weakneses / wickedness of Kabila and his Government, Kabila has propagated with great success to his colleagues in SADC that the ICGLR process in Kampala is akin to an invitation to dine with the hungry Lion. A Summitt of Kabila Kagame M7 does look woefully incongrous considering that Kabila considers his colleagues inherently responsible for his predicament.

SADC are energized by a conviction that Uganda and Rwanda are the instigattors and puppeteers and beneficiaries of the instability of the Kivu and Ituru and all these other elements (FDLR/M23/AF+DF) are convenient Boogies playing to strategic purposes of Uganda and Rwanda - and similar expressions by some Uniforms here(and elswhere too) have not been very divergent from that position!

Rwandan 'Rennaissance' (if one could call the concentration of Growth on Kigali City of 12million Rwandese (11% of the Population) dominated by returning disapora Tutsi and those Tutsi who have abandoned the rural areas from their fear of the majority Hutus), is entirely constructed on a rapacious widespread pillage of the Eastern DRC and without which the entire facade Kagame has potrayed collapses - another round of interneccine conflict will inevitably results. Uganda is not entirely the 'Victim" of DRC negligence considering there are entrenched Economic and Demographic interests that are shared and in conflict bwtween Uganda and DRC - the Albertine Oilfields i.e (Kenya is just also not innocent of the Soomaliya twenty-years decline either).

SADC has stated in very clear Diplomatic and Military language that there IS only one Legitimate Considering that demand SADC obligation - the Sanctity of the DRC State, and all other 'Geopolitical' imperatives are unrelevant. In that midset, the rest of us can choose to be either part of their "sollution" or be cast as being part of their "problem"!! Music to Kabila's ears!! As the SADC deals conclusively with the irregular and negative elements in Eastern DRC, if Kagame does not withdraw his reservists embedded with the CRA/M23, he will get a healthy pasting from these SADC Fellas. They are coming in Hot, and loaded.

And there lies the seeds of a wider conflagaration in kenyana!!

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Olekoima on Thu Dec 13 2012, 15:51

A good read:-
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20121213-703247.html

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Kenyana's Threat-Board.

Post  Guest on Fri Dec 14 2012, 09:56

Last night before falling-out, I had a sneek-peek at the pre-Summit demands of the M23/CRA grouping, and then I took a last look at the Threat Board on my Wall of the Central and East African Zone (EAC + IGAD + ICGLR) - depressing stuff!!

Chad in perpetual Civil confllict and with Sudan through an incubated Darfurian rebellion,

Mali in Religious / Ethnic driven Civil War, ECOWAS too afraid to trigger similar below-the-surface socio tensions with an precipitious intervention,

Ghana looking to enter into post-election Political Debilitation, a' la Kenya - fast Africa growth paradigm about to implode!

Some obscure rebel group UFDR Colonel Narkoyo has re-ignited a rebellion on Central African Republic that has been dead now six-years,

DRC tottering on the brink of a massive break-up, due from its Political, Military and Governance lethergy

Uganda, Central Africa, Congo and Darfurian Rebel groupings incubating and reassembling in DRC

Rwanda a powder-keg thinly but cleverly camouflaged by Western-driven international propaganda,

Darfur threatens Sudan and,

GoSS and Sudan in self-destructive illogical arguments,

Kony still rampaging through Central Africa, and North and Western Uganda yet unintegrated in consequence,

Kenya in Political brime and raising Internal Insecurity from religious and ethnic extremism waxing already raw social tensions,

Soomaliya still Politically, Socially and Militarily flux and pervasively dangerous,

Ethiopia and Eritrea yet unreconciled and dangerously belligerent,

Tanzania and Malawi driving a minor territorial argument to War-status,

Madagascar, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Saharawi, hell, where in Africa are we not killing Africans?

Do you fellas get the suspicion of a Master-purppeteer pulling these strings?

Which other Continent sprouts out such unexplicable armed disagreements like jumping beans?

Why is it that all our Continental-wide and Regional-Blocks Bodies (AU / EAC / ICGLR / IGAD / ECOWAS / ARAB LEAGUE / SADCC) always appear taken by surprised and show such incompetence to drive resolution of each and every succeeding flare-up?

How does the UNSC empower and support these African Bodies? Is the UNSC an impediment or catalyst of these conflicts due to the whatever reasons?

Which of Africa's competitng international Socio-Politico-Economic Blocks benefit from Africa being perpetually blind-spotted?

Eeeeiishh!! Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

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UNSC to ''reassess'' the MUNUSCO in DRC!!!

Post  Guest on Fri Dec 14 2012, 12:37

As intimated on the 'informal' grid early last week, the UNSC has now gone public that MUNUS Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy CO has been a spectacular failure and gross waste of funding, absolutely shameful to the world body. Of course there are face-saving pronoucements that seek to apportion blame to Uganda and Rwanda, and to the incompetence of Kabila's Army. Bottom line is the M23 has made the UNSC look like a Monkey with a Gun! Have a look at this newspaper extract and share your views...

By Louis Charbonneau
UNITED NATIONS | Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:57pm EST
(Reuters) - The United Nations said on Thursday it had launched a comprehensive review of its Congo peacekeeping mission, which suffered a severe blow to its image last month after it stood aside and let rebels seize control of a major eastern city.

But U.N. Security Council diplomats and officials said any changes in the U.N.'s largest peacekeeping force would matter little if authorities in the Democratic Republic of the Congo did not improve their own army, and neighboring Rwanda and Uganda continued to finance, equip and train rebel groups in mineral-rich eastern Congo.

U.N. officials have defended the U.N. Congo force, MONUSCO, for not preventing the well-equipped M23 rebels from taking the eastern city of Goma last month.

They said any attempt to have done so would have put Goma's civilian population at risk. But they are painfully aware of the damage to the image of the mission, which U.N. officials say has been quite effective over the years, in Congo and across Africa.

"MONUSCO's reputation has been severely damaged in the DRC and the region," a U.N. diplomat told Reuters on condition of anonymity. "The U.N. is looking closely at MONUSCO now to consider whether there can be changes."

U.N. peacekeeping spokesman Kieran Dwyer said the United Nations was launching a comprehensive assessment of MONUSCO, and diplomats said U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon would present the results to the Security Council early next year.

"The United Nations is starting a strategic review of the organization's engagement in the DRC, including MONUSCO's configuration," Dwyer said. "Our objective is to determine how we can better assist the Congolese people to avoid the recurring cycles of violence in the East."

He said that the United Nations would be looking at the idea of an "international neutral force" to be deployed along the border with Rwanda. That proposal has been discussed within the African Union and regional African organizations.

Diplomats said that if the Security Council backed Ban's recommendations for changes in the structure and mandate of the more than 20,000-strong MONUSCO force, the 15-nation council might travel to the region to marshal support for the proposals.

One idea U.N. officials are considering is the creation of an "enforcement wing" of MONUSCO, that would take a more robust approach to dealing with insurgents in eastern Congo, U.N. diplomats and officials told Reuters on condition of anonymity.

"The idea would be to create a wing of MONUSCO that would do more than simply support the FARDC (Congolese army) but could take on more difficult battlefield tasks," an envoy said.

Details are sketchy, since the review has just begun. But the idea is that the enforcement wing and the international neutral force could deploy along the Rwandan border, possibly with a separate, beefed-up mandate from the rest of MONUSCO, though they would all be part of the same overall mission.

Diplomats said the idea would have to be approved by troop-contributing countries and the Security Council.

'LET DOWN BY MONUSCO'

A U.N. panel of experts has said M23 rebels are getting money, sophisticated equipment, training and reinforcements from Rwanda, as well as some additional support from Uganda. Analysts, diplomats and U.N. officials say Rwanda and Uganda have been interfering in eastern Congo for many years.

Rwanda and Uganda deny the charges.

Local residents were deeply disappointed when MONUSCO did nothing to stop M23 rebels led by Bosco Ntaganda, a renegade general known as the "terminator" who has been indicted by the International Criminal Court for war crimes, from seizing Goma. Amid international outrage, the rebels left Goma after 11 days.

"We feel so let down by MONUSCO," Constant, an unemployed electrician in Goma, told Reuters. "When MONUSCO says they are capable of protecting the people, it is false. They protect their own interests. They are not capable of guaranteeing our security."

"When M23 entered Goma they just stood by," he added. "Many here in this town oppose MONUSCO's presence."

Tariq Riebl, Oxfam's humanitarian coordinator in Congo, said "MONUSCO's performance has fallen way short of what anyone would expect, particularly over the past few months."

"Their presence is not preventing militias from operating in eastern Congo, and they don't seem able to protect civilians from daily atrocities taking place across eastern DRC. In a recent Oxfam survey in three provinces, some people told us MONUSCO had a lower approval rating than the government army."

It is not the first time Goma residents have felt let down by blue-helmeted U.N. troops. In 2008, the Security Council increased the size the peacekeeping force by 3,000 troops to help Congo's weak army confront Tutsi rebels in eastern Congo.

At that time, angry displaced people and residents rioted and hurled stones at the peacekeepers, accusing them of failing to protect them from raping and pillaging Tutsi rebels led by renegade General Laurent Nkunda.

Despite recent setbacks sparked by the M23 rebellion and political instability in Congo, U.N. officials and diplomats say MONUSCO has done much good in Congo, which has seen five different peacekeeping forces over the last five decades.

John Prendergast, co-founder of the Enough Project anti-genocide group and the Satellite Sentinel Project, told Reuters that MONUSCO was now "largely irrelevant," but could focus more attention on non-military problems.

"Its civilian component ... could be beefed up significantly," Prendergast said. "MONUSCO could do much more in exposing human rights abuses, mediating localized conflicts, supporting conflict-free mine sites, and pressing for the holding of local elections."

One problem in eastern Congo is that the army itself is in shambles. Not only is it widely seen as incapable of providing security in the region, it routinely faces accusations of rape and other atrocities.

Another problem is the weakness of President Joseph Kabila's government, which has virtually no control over eastern Congo, an area the size of France. U.N. officials have spoken of Rwanda's de facto annexation of Congo's eastern provinces.

"Kabila might want to blame all his problems on MONUSCO, but at the end of the day, it's Congo that has to accept responsibility and solve the problem," a Western diplomat said.

Another envoy echoed that view, saying it was time to "end the illusion that MONUSCO is there to prop up the government."

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  countersniper on Fri Dec 14 2012, 16:18

who is the overall commander of the UN mission in CONGO? is he not some INDIAN GENERAL the last time i checked? sounds familiar?

These indian generals have become a disgrace...and their record in service for the UN has become very bad,
Remember an entire two companies for KENBAT sodiers serving in Siera leone were written off for dead and left to fight themselves out of a very tight spot when surrounded by heavily armed rebels ,just because the OVER ALL Indian general commanding the UN force refused to send in help saying the mission was too risky and in hostile territory even though the Ukrainians had gunships and transport choppers that would have helped the Kenyans escape with zero casualties?

this Congo fiasco will further evolve. ZIMBABWE has agreed to send 1000 men under SADC

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  mambotupu on Wed Dec 19 2012, 07:22

Are these articles for real i.e. actually penned by the two Kenyan leaders whose names appear there?

http://indepthafrica.com/the-unthinking-somali-kenyan-leaders-3/#.UNE_8KVhNyq

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  HokumA on Wed Dec 19 2012, 08:11

mambotupu wrote:Are these articles for real i.e. actually penned by the two Kenyan leaders whose names appear there?

http://indepthafrica.com/the-unthinking-somali-kenyan-leaders-3/#.UNE_8KVhNyq

I am guessing you are new so I'll start by saying welcome and two this blog is primarily focused on defense/military issues although we sometimes drift towards geo-political matters but whenever that happens we approach such issues from a military/defense/strategy point of view. So feel free to participate in the debate but keep that ‘mambo tupu’ aka politics away from this flank.

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Guest on Wed Dec 19 2012, 09:57

HokumA wrote:
mambotupu wrote:Are these articles for real i.e. actually penned by the two Kenyan leaders whose names appear there?

http://indepthafrica.com/the-unthinking-somali-kenyan-leaders-3/#.UNE_8KVhNyq

I am guessing you are new so I'll start by saying welcome and two this blog is primarily focused on defense/military issues although we sometimes drift towards geo-political matters but whenever that happens we approach such issues from a military/defense/strategy point of view. So feel free to participate in the debate but keep that ‘mambo tupu’ aka politics away from this flank.

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Kobooz on Wed Dec 19 2012, 13:43

there is this thread that goes like. the white man noticed rwandan kings so strong & firm. Rwanda is the only country that never sold its men as slaves in africa! the country was bigger but since it wld b hard to exploit its wealth including what is now eastern congo, they fragmented it. so they cut out what is now burundi, kagera tanzania & upto kabale Ug. so now it was possible to hav an unstable Eastern DRC but stable neighborhood around to wld act as proxy. any more light on this?

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Post  Kobooz on Wed Dec 19 2012, 14:23

On another note. This really puzzles me! how can FARDC just casually abandon territory, leave citizens at the peril of rebels some to be raped, maimed, killed etc really without firing a shot? international community 'appeals' for rebel withdrawal. now the citizens gets disgruntled. when the rebels hesitantly withdraw & FARDC is back in town the citizens cheer them up! what were they cheering????

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