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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Kobooz on Wed Dec 19 2012, 17:29

Christmas mood has engulfed blog eh! now on my earlier question, what if thin tall one feels that his back trouser pockets are in eastern DRC (with the right to dip his hands) since it was after all once their territory? same way we sell MT kilimanjaro since it was cut out of our territory any way?

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Inter-clan clashes in Kismayu

Post  mogen on Thu Dec 20 2012, 12:01

wrote:Breaking News: fierce clashes erupted in Kismaayo,witnesses confirm. the clashes are b/w militia clans from Ogaden iyo Awrmale

This doesn't augur well for the Jubbaland initiative.

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  HokumA on Thu Dec 20 2012, 13:40

Kobooz wrote:Christmas mood has engulfed blog eh! now on my earlier question, what if thin tall one feels that his back trouser pockets are in eastern DRC (with the right to dip his hands) since it was after all once their territory? same way we sell MT kilimanjaro since it was cut out of our territory any way?

Field commanders have sent troops home leaving this frank exposed but unlike the FARDC we are more than committed to fight on. The tall one is not fighting to get attention annexing Eastern Congo is a cause he is willing and committed to pursue even if it means making inroads with the devil aka Dark forces lots of those going around this days. Making Eastern Congo part of Rwanda must be deeply entrenched within RDF's military doctrine, this provides the army high command with the flexibility and training required to embed RDF forces within a rebel group or operates as such and still maintain force discipline and structure needed to achieve underlined strategic objectives.

One does not go to such great highs motivated by greed and hunger for power alone, deep rooted historical injustices and a backlash from colonial divide and rule tactics are the main cause for this flare-up. I have been doing some digging to support what @kobooz said in an earlier post and I found an old map of Africa which seems to suggest that Kivu and other eastern provinces were not part of Congo from the onset. The sad thing is even if Rwanda managed to force DRC into lacerating the cancerous East, they will need decades of chemotherapy to pacify the region given presence of many negative elements operating in Eastern Congo who do not approve of Master Rwanda.
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Call to extend Amisom mandate

Post  Olekoima on Sun Dec 23 2012, 15:02

Well, i think this is needed for further stabilization of Somalia:-

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Call-to-extend-Amisom-mandate/-/1056/1649206/-/vdnt7nz/-/index.html

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Guest on Mon Dec 24 2012, 21:51

Hardly so @Mogen. This was a very localized and limited duration contact largely motivated by extraneous reasons and not community / clan reasons. Moreover, the onus shifted kitambo from Armed Conflict to Political networking amongst the disparate clan-mix of Gedo middle and lower Juba. Plenty of armed dangerous swaggering poorly paid and disciplined young fellas in Units of very loose cohesion all over the Theater, most of whom have never worked an honest day job ever.

They keep to themselves and WE keep strictly to ourselves and within very specific protocols. KDF tasking in Soomaliya moved to the 30th and elements in direct support of these camo-T-shirt wearers when Chai Town capitulated. And there is really very little interface possible with Ras Kaboni and the SNA in the activities of the 30th.

The Job is almost done.

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wrote:Breaking News: fierce clashes erupted in Kismaayo,witnesses confirm. the clashes are b/w militia clans from Ogaden iyo Awrmale

This doesn't augur well for the Jubbaland initiative.

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Olekoima on Thu Jan 03 2013, 13:08

Over to some Kenyana politics, very interesting:-

http://www.theafricareport.com/news-analysis/political-pieces-in-the-east-and-horn-of-african-jigsaw.html

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Olekoima on Thu Jan 03 2013, 13:12

More,

http://www.theafricareport.com/20120822501817478/east-horn-africa/east-african-community-to-expand-to-8-member-states-501817478.html

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Are African Armies really this bad?????

Post  MOOZALENDO on Fri Jan 04 2013, 04:32

Olekoima wrote:More,http://www.theafricareport.com/20120822501817478/east-horn-africa/east-african-community-to-expand-to-8-member-states-501817478.html



..."The fall of Goma on November 20, saw a herd of haphazard uniformed
Congolese army officers, sucked into the confused war, at the head of
their soldiers on the road to Bukavu.


A mad mass of weak soldiers walked the long road out of the town,
arms filled with booty snatched under the influence of alcohol and hemp,
devoid of discipline.



These scruffy faced castaways dazed with fatigue, scraping the
ground with their boots, their sneakers or flip-flops, and some sporting
headphones, present a latent threat to the civilian refugees they
mingle with.



It is an image that tells of the predicament of an entire nation.

From Bamako to Kinshasa, after fallen - but predatory - armies have
aroused anger, bitterness, sarcasm and sometimes terror, it is the turn
of the whole country to undergo some kind of symbolic castration.


The case involving this continuous 15 year old horror movie,
depicting soldiers on rampage, destroying what they are supposed to
protect, in the two Kivus is not isolated....


Read the original article on Theafricareport.com : Why are African armies so bad? | The Africa Report.com

Follow us: @theafricareport on Twitter

Wazee, can we objectively counter this narrative, after all just casting aspersions on the writer/publisher does not negate the story? We must counter the story with the facts if at all they are different (and reflect the named armies in better light?).

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Guest on Fri Jan 04 2013, 06:32

@Mooz - how to counter such subjective fiction with objective facts? From armchair theorists nestling inbcentral-heated Parisian apartments? Motivated by a traditional hunger to propagate their romanticized theories that African failures are genetic - hell, even demonizing African Athletic successes in similar vein?

Where is the African Imperative to counter these poorly-veiled racially motivated articles? Are they willing any time soon to give credence to an African Narrative by Africans? Sheeish!

The exaggerated imagery created by this "AfricaReport" of FARDC in GOMA may have some basis on Fact but FARDC is certainly not a microcosm of African armies. Neither are the uniformed ARmed Gangs of Kleptocratic regimes set up intentionally corrupt and dysfunctional by our erstwhile Colonizers, examples of African Armies.

Eeeeish!

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China Celebrates Another Grand Theft

Post  Olekoima on Fri Jan 04 2013, 12:42

The Chinese will obviously produce these copies then export them cheaply to poor third world countries. Russia losses big here in the long run. They may need to revise their prices downwards in order to compete in future. This obsession about quality may no longer be sustainable:-

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20130103.aspx

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Spartan on Sat Jan 05 2013, 12:18

Olekoima wrote:The Chinese will obviously produce these copies then export them cheaply to poor third world countries. Russia losses big here in the long run. They may need to revise their prices downwards in order to compete in future. This obsession about quality may no longer be sustainable:-

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20130103.aspx

I wouldn't call the copying of technology 'theft', as it plays right into the trap set by the western capitalist juggernaut, and by so doing, implies that each and every one of the 211 countries has to re-invent the wheel, as it were. In 1996, the Sukhoi company and the Shenyang Aircraft Company entered into a contract worth US$2.5 billion for the co-production of 200 Su-27SK fighters as the J-11. Under the agreements of the contract, Sukhoi would supply engines and some kits (avionics, fire control systems etc).

Later, the Russians agreed to increase the proportion of locally developed Chinese kit on the J-11. I don't what they thought but that looks to me like you are helping the Chinese develop their capacity to produce modern aircraft. Later when it was discovered that Chinese AA missiles were incompatible with Russian fire control systems, they produced their own fire control system and so forth. Just how long did they expect the Chinese to be coming back?

This so-called technology theft issue has western origins, it's obvious the west would rather the Russians don't transfer any technology to China and that's why they are trying to drive a wedge between the two.The Russians don't seem to mind since they're still selling the Chinese Sukhoi and MiG engines.

But if they do mind, I would say they made their bed, it's time they lay in it.

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South African Weapons and Systems .

Post  Olekoima on Sun Jan 06 2013, 16:10

Some nice stuff, watch the video:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yzwvIid7Dg

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Revebrations of AMISOM on Colonial Africa Hegemony.

Post  Guest on Tue Jan 08 2013, 09:13

It is apparent that AMISOM was never intended by Africa's Colonials to do more that maintain a "Holding Pattern" over Somalia as the Western Politco-Economic Edifice scrambled to redefine itself in the changing Geopolitical dynamics of "Kenyana". They paid for the "AMISOM Music" butbwe played them Lingala instead of their Beetles!

Now Africa's belief appears energized and assertive with the hybrid Stabilization Force AU has used to not only enforce Peace by deadly and effective force, but to also engineer a new African State from the hopeless chaos of Western Neglect of two decades - by the dame deadly force. Africa has shoved the Colonial paradigm light-years.

Gradually Africa seems about to cease being the cavalier playing ground of our colonizers French and British . Aggressive Sino-American completion very propitious.

Twenty three low grade to full civil war conflicts in Africa today. And in all these, Africa considers an AMISOM-type intervention with very serious intents. And that intent alone seems to effectively douse the conflicts in KIVU (despite Western open opposition to the AU/NIF), GoSS/Sudan, Eritrea, Crab(SADF hasjpreemptively deployed a full Battalion around Bangui), Mali is relatively contained, etc.

Clearly Africa is finally setting its version of Agenda and Western Governments are at best reactionary.

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RWANDA OPPOSES DRONE USE

Post  Guest on Wed Jan 09 2013, 16:20

Rwanda has opposed a proposal by the UN to deploy drones in Eastern DRC.If they have nothing to hide why would they be opposed? Secondly the drones aren't being deployed in Rwanda but the DRC so this just reinforces the suspicions everyone has been having that Rwanda has been screwing it's neighbor's wife


http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Rwanda-opposes-use-of-drones-in-east-DRC/-/2558/1661398/-/c2jk3s/-/index.html

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  mogen on Thu Jan 10 2013, 05:06

mchoraji wrote:Rwanda has opposed a proposal by the UN to deploy drones in Eastern DRC.If they have nothing to hide why would they be opposed? Secondly the drones aren't being deployed in Rwanda but the DRC so this just reinforces the suspicions everyone has been having that Rwanda has been screwing it's neighbor's wife
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Rwanda-opposes-use-of-drones-in-east-DRC/-/2558/1661398/-/c2jk3s/-/index.html

Kagame is rattled and with good reasons. And now Sammy is backing plans for drones in DR Congo

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/US-backs-plans-for-drones-in-DR-Congo/-/1066/1662136/-/11uvmq7/-/index.html

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Kagame chewed a "red herring"

Post  MOOZALENDO on Thu Jan 10 2013, 16:52

mchoraji wrote:Rwanda has opposed a proposal by the UN to deploy drones in Eastern DRC.If they have nothing to hide why would they be opposed? Secondly the drones aren't being deployed in Rwanda but the DRC so this just reinforces the suspicions everyone has been having that Rwanda has been screwing it's neighbor's wife


http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Rwanda-opposes-use-of-drones-in-east-DRC/-/2558/1661398/-/c2jk3s/-/index.html

I did not know that Kagame would swallow the bait proffered. The suggestion to deploy drones evoked the kind of response that could only come from somebody involved. Many years back, a village sage was disturbed by somebody knocking on his door every now and again in the dead of the night. The person was particularly notorious whenever the villager travelled, harassing mama watoto and them kids, so Mr. Sage decided to komesha hiyo shida. He already knew it was a man because of footprints and he had a good guess as to who it might be. He decided to invite a few of the elders to accompany him on a long journey to negotiate dowry from hills yonder (travel was slow!). He of course invited the suspected tormentor of his family to tag along. That week there was no disturbance! As they returned, he regaled his mates along the way about how somebody who had been disturbing his family for long would be dead soon, because he was going to cast a spell on the foot-prints he found at his doorstep. The guilty party blurted out involuntarily..."Ala mzeee, huwezi fanya hivyo! Hizo alama si ni za mtoto wako ama bibi? Huwezi fanya hivyo, utaleta balaa nyumbani kwako!" Then the sage announced triumphantly, Kama huyu mtu hataacha hii tabia, nitamletea yule Mkamba amalize udhia huu mara moja, na wala sina mchezo Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad. Of course there was no Mkamba magician he had in mind, but the effect was instant and dramatic cheers cheers cheers! That was the end of those nocturnal visits.
The drones will not overfly Rwanda, so why should Kagame care anyway?

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Olekoima on Thu Jan 10 2013, 18:40

MOOZALENDO wrote:
mchoraji wrote:Rwanda has opposed a proposal by the UN to deploy drones in Eastern DRC.If they have nothing to hide why would they be opposed? Secondly the drones aren't being deployed in Rwanda but the DRC so this just reinforces the suspicions everyone has been having that Rwanda has been screwing it's neighbor's wife


http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Rwanda-opposes-use-of-drones-in-east-DRC/-/2558/1661398/-/c2jk3s/-/index.html

I did not know that Kagame would swallow the bait proffered. The suggestion to deploy drones evoked the kind of response that could only come from somebody involved. Many years back, a village sage was disturbed by somebody knocking on his door every now and again in the dead of the night. The person was particularly notorious whenever the villager travelled, harassing mama watoto and them kids, so Mr. Sage decided to komesha hiyo shida. He already knew it was a man because of footprints and he had a good guess as to who it might be. He decided to invite a few of the elders to accompany him on a long journey to negotiate dowry from hills yonder (travel was slow!). He of course invited the suspected tormentor of his family to tag along. That week there was no disturbance! As they returned, he regaled his mates along the way about how somebody who had been disturbing his family for long would be dead soon, because he was going to cast a spell on the foot-prints he found at his doorstep. The guilty party blurted out involuntarily..."Ala mzeee, huwezi fanya hivyo! Hizo alama si ni za mtoto wako ama bibi? Huwezi fanya hivyo, utaleta balaa nyumbani kwako!" Then the sage announced triumphantly, Kama huyu mtu hataacha hii tabia, nitamletea yule Mkamba amalize udhia huu mara moja, na wala sina mchezo Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad. Of course there was no Mkamba magician he had in mind, but the effect was instant and dramatic cheers cheers cheers! That was the end of those nocturnal visits.
The drones will not overfly Rwanda, so why should Kagame care anyway?

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Browning Vs Glock

Post  Spartan on Fri Jan 11 2013, 11:45

The British Army is replacing its standard issue sidearm, the Browning with the Austrian-made Glock. Anyone used both of them to give us an insight into how they compare?

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Spartan on Fri Jan 11 2013, 12:02

Olekoima wrote:
MOOZALENDO wrote:
mchoraji wrote:Rwanda has opposed a proposal by the UN to deploy drones in Eastern DRC.If they have nothing to hide why would they be opposed? Secondly the drones aren't being deployed in Rwanda but the DRC so this just reinforces the suspicions everyone has been having that Rwanda has been screwing it's neighbor's wife


http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Rwanda-opposes-use-of-drones-in-east-DRC/-/2558/1661398/-/c2jk3s/-/index.html

I did not know that Kagame would swallow the bait proffered. The suggestion to deploy drones evoked the kind of response that could only come from somebody involved.

This is an interesting one. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Laughing Laughing

Afande Kulayigye, UPDF Spokesperson had his take on this development. Uganda is fine with the drones, but they shouldn't just be used to monitor M23. The UN needs to monitor all the 20-something rebel groups in the DRC, including the dangerous ADF, or else we will go through the same cycle a year or so down the road with different groups.

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Guest on Fri Jan 11 2013, 18:06

I have doubts the entire British Army will be making change to the colorless Glock . It will be a Standard Issue Side Arm but the Sigsuer P250, Browning Hi-power and Beretta 92R will remain preferred in the Paras SBS and SAS.

a side arm is a functional tool like all tools. For every task there are some more suited than others. Some lucky chaps get the privilege to personalize their kit, like me - I detest the Glocks - all variations of them. In comparison I think them as hyped Datsun 1600sss and the ubiquitous Browning a Porsche Carerra 911s. The Datsun is perfectly alright for the average commuter. Won't catch me dead with one in my hands. Maono yangu tuu. Overall performance. Weight, length, balance, fit, recoil. Working parts, ease of assembly. Power, Mag capacity, accuracy. Reliability, durability in adverse conditions, "accessorization",type of ammo. Etc...,and the Chinese QSZ-92 5.8mm the best for silent wet-work effective against most Body Armored targets.

Spartan wrote:The British Army is replacing its standard issue sidearm, the Browning with the Austrian-made Glock. Anyone used both of them to give us an insight into how they compare?

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MALI CRISIS

Post  Guest on Sat Jan 12 2013, 11:47

Guess it's now official; we wont have a West-African led force kicking the Islamists' backsides. France has come to 'help'.The French had to wait until the situation became really desperate then start hitting the rebels with airstrikes.Then this Mali military doesn't it have an air-force that can at least send the rebels scurrying with their tails between their legs?
Hell! they have mig 21s, at least 2 Z9 choppers & at least 2 Mi 24s. I have no idea how air worthy they are or the competence of their uniformed men. I always feel bad when a western power has to intervene in Africa. From Rwanda,Ivory coast & now Mali......a sad situation indeed.

Mali and France 'push back Islamists'

President Hollande: "This operation will last as long as necessary"Continue reading the main story
Mali: Divided nation

Can Nigeria take on the Islamists?
Will the world intervene?
Waiting for the troops
On patrol with the Mali army
Government forces in Mali say they have regained territory from Islamist militants following air strikes by the French military.

Malian officials said they had taken back the strategic central town of Konna, which rebels had secured just a day earlier as they pushed south.

The news came hours after France announced it had begun military operations in support of Mali's army.

Armed groups, some linked to al-Qaeda, took control of northern Mali in April.

The Islamists have sought to enforce an extreme interpretation of Islamic law in the area.

Regional and western governments have expressed growing concern about the security threat from extremists and organised crime.

'Crushing retaliation'
Announcing France's military intervention, French President Francois Hollande said Islamists had been trying to turn Mali into a "terrorist" state.

He said the intervention complied with international law, and had been agreed with Malian interim President Dioncounda Traore. It would last "as long as necessary", he added.

Continue reading the main story
Analysis

Hugh Schofield
BBC News, Paris
The rhetoric out of Paris suggests that from the French point of view, the situation in Mali has taken a dramatic turn for the worse in the last few days. Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said it was vital to stop this new advance by the Islamists.

So it would seem that a country that has been a growing but still peripheral preoccupation for France - and for the West in general - is now at the very centre of their strategic plans.

There is a real fear that if the "terrorists" - as the French government calls them - succeed in taking over Mali, then it will become a rogue state much like the old Afghanistan.

Given the ties of family and trade with France, it would be France to pay the cost if that rogue state began to export its ideology. So a line has been drawn in the Sahel sand. For good or bad, this may well turn out to have been a momentous decision.

French officials gave few operational details. When asked whether there had been French air strikes, Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius confirmed that there had been "an aerial operation".

Residents in Mopti, just south of Konna, told the BBC they had seen French troops helping Malian forces prepare for a counter-offensive against the Islamists.

Mr Traore declared a state of emergency across Mali, which he said would remain in place for an initial period of 10 days.

He used a televised address to call on Malians to unite and "free every inch" of the country.

"Our choice is peace... but they have forced war on us," he said. "We will carry out a crushing and massive retaliation against our enemies."

Late on Friday Malian officials said they gained control of Konna.

"Konna is under our control this evening but we are still conducting mopping-up operations," said Lt Col Diarra Kone, though he warned that some rebels might still be in the town.

The British government expressed its support for the French operation. US officials said Washington was considering providing intelligence and logistical support to French forces.

'Crusader intervention'
The west African bloc Ecowas said it was authorising the immediate deployment of troops to Mali "to help the Malian army defend its territorial integrity", AFP reported.


The UN had previously approved plans to send some 3,000 African troops to Mali to recapture the north if no political solution could be found, but that intervention was not expected to happen until September.

Mr Fabius said the aim of the operation was to stop Islamist militants advancing any further.

It was not clear how far the French would go in helping Mali's government retake territory in the north.

At least seven French hostages are currently being held in the region, and Mr Fabius said France would "do everything" to save them.

A spokesman for al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) said he considered the French operation a "Crusader intervention", and told France it would be "would be digging the tombs of [its] sons" if the operation continued, according to the Mauritania-based Sahara Media website.

France ruled Mali as a colony until 1960.

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Spartan on Mon Jan 14 2013, 09:59

On Sunday the French begun their assaults against the AQ allies in Northern Mali using Gazelle helios by going after a column of fighters. One of the pilots died as a result of anti-aircraft fire when fighters on the column replied the fire. Somehow, I get the feeling the French have better choppers to take on the truck-mounted 14" AA guns the militants are known to have than the Gazelle choppers shown below. Coupled with the ill-fated rescue attempt in Somalia, I think either political decisions rode roughshod over military planning, or on both occasions the enemy was under-estimated. Wish them luck all the same.

The choppers pictured earlier at an airstrip in N'Djamena, Chad.

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MALI CRISIS

Post  Guest on Mon Jan 14 2013, 10:34

Spartan wrote: I get the feeling the French have better choppers to take on the truck-mounted 14" AA guns the militants are known to have than the Gazelle choppers shown below.

The choppers pictured earlier at an airstrip in N'Djamena, Chad.

They've now deployed Rafales which will ensure the rebels can't kill another Frenchman........not from their anti-aircraft guns at least. The only problem is that civilian casualties are increasing so they should get better intelligence & avoid the collateral deaths otherwise the civilian support in the north may plummet



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MALI CRISIS

Post  Guest on Mon Jan 14 2013, 10:58

I am just wondering if johnny is covertly working with the wafaransa in this operation.This image on the Daily nation with the French's APC being loaded on a BA C-17 cargo plane.Kwani France doesn't have sufficient cargo planes ama mambo gani hii??




BBC wrote: An RAF C17 cargo plane has arrived at a Paris airbase to help French military efforts to contain rebels in Mali.

The first of two planes will load up with French armoured vehicles and other equipment before flying to the West African state on Monday.

A second C17 is due to arrive on Sunday evening. No UK troops would be deployed in a combat role, Downing Street said.


An RAF C-17

So Johnny owns up

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Re: REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

Post  Guest on Mon Jan 14 2013, 13:56

@ole Sidai - that is a mean kit on any soldier, by gawd! In the 30th there is really no shortage of Rifle and Pistol Weapons variety to play around with and the rules are not rigid in personal choices. In any one Troop the critical consideration is the Ammo type and rating for both the long and short guns every trooper tots around - you want to " standardize" it as much as possible for ease in air-drop resupply in-theater. And to swap clips within the Troop if it gets that bad. Interoperability by a different definition! Generally everyone has One long gun of similar slug-size and rating and two handguns either of similar or different caliber. Applying across the Troop.

@Mchoraji - that French Operation has been in the works for over a year - those DGSE Commandos staged off a Naval Asset off the Soomaliya Coast where they had assembled and remained for over a month of TOTAL Blackout! If you expect the French to be as circumspect as Sammy or Johnny and show greater discrimination in their use of Military Force, you will be disappointed. French Military Elan is very dismissive of Africans as worthy Military opponents - I studied for nearly two years in their St Cyr Military University! Watch them take the Hammer to the Marian Dance.

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THESE MANENOS

Post  Guest on Mon Jan 14 2013, 17:11

ole Nkarei wrote: French Military Elan is very dismissive of Africans as worthy Military opponents - I studied for nearly two years in their St Cyr Military University! Watch them take the Hammer to the Marian Dance.

No wonder kebab made them lick dust. I also remember reading in Lt. Gen. Roméo Dallaire's book that on several occasions in the lead up to the Rwandan genocide French troops who were helping the Habyarimana regime got defeated by the RPF.

ION The mali rebels have taken another town & the french have admitted ni ngumu kidogo

BBC wrote: Islamist fighters in Mali have seized a town in government-controlled territory amid a military intervention by France.

French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said Diabaly, 400km (250 miles) from the capital, Bamako, was taken in a counter-attack on Monday.He said Islamists had retreated in the east but admitted French forces were facing a "difficult" situation against well-armed rebels in western areas.

The weapons these rebels salvaged from Libya seem to be being used to their full advantage.

Press TV wrote: Meanwhile, US President Barack Obama said on Sunday, “United States combat aircraft briefly entered Somali airspace to support the (French) rescue operation, if needed.”

He added that the US forces “provided limited technical support to the French forces in that operation.”
sammy was also in the somalia rescue mix though it doesn't appear as if he helped much.

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botched rescue by the french in somalia

Post  countersniper on Mon Jan 14 2013, 21:30

these guys never learn.
they should have given African union forces AMISOM the intelligence and asked for the operational cooperation.
KDF,UPDF,EDF AND THE SOMALI NATIONAL ARMY COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB EVALUATING THE INTELLIGENCE before acting.
The local alashaba and other sympathizers had spotters watching the beaches and all approach routes from more than thirty miles around the area they were holding and the hostage .The hostage takers had ample time to move the hostage and plan for an ambush. so the French walked into an ambush essentially.
The AMERICANS were supposed to be providing drones cover which were watching the area. and they had their own seal teams circling the area to come in and help the french IF NEED BE..so why they did see the kebabs preparing for the ambush is not clear... but there is real time video of the attack taken by the American surveillance drones as the french choppers arrived at the scene and commencing the attack.
..AND lastly once the attack went bad they should have stayed around long enough to remove all their dead and injured ..because they had superior firepower and air cover..so by leaving the dead and injured commandos on the ground to be used by alshabab as dead trophies is beyond understanding.
this will embolden alashabab and win them support just like the USA black hawk incident...years ago.

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Post  Spartan on Tue Jan 15 2013, 13:56

Found myself agreeing with the Shabaab for once. Reacting to the furor caused by the posting of the image of the dead French commando, the Shabaab propagandists wondered why no such indignation occured when images of dead Ugandan, Burundian and Kenyan troops were posted. Then the clincher - they wondered whether it's because they are Black?

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Post  Risasi on Wed Jan 16 2013, 00:32

Sssssssssssssssh!!! Pesa itatoka sasa Very Happy “let those African boys finish the mission”

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Post  Olekoima on Wed Jan 16 2013, 12:45

Risasi wrote:Sssssssssssssssh!!! Pesa itatoka sasa Very Happy “let those African boys finish the mission”

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